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Is the PS2 GPU much stronger than Tegra 2?



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Slimebeast said:
zarx said:

some interesting points mixed with some obviously flame bait ones lol, still it's interesting

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Because videogames journalism is embarrassingly bad.

 

1. Two quad-core processors boasting PS3-esque power in something the size of a PSP? Given that a PS3 is about 30 times the size of a PSP and still needs a fan you could get a medium-sized helicopter off the ground with (and which makes about the same amount of noise), how on Earth are they going to manage that without the thing melting in your hands after three minutes?

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How can it have two quad-core CPUs?

it's got a 4 core ARM CPU and the GPU design they are using (same as the iPhone) has 4 "cores or at least that is what the designers call them. http://www.techradar.com/news/gaming/consoles/inside-the-sony-ngp-the-cpu-and-gpu-in-detail-924306



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Dr.Grass said:
zarx said:
Dr.Grass said:

I just read the first two points and all I can say is:

MY PS3 HARDLY MAKES A NOISE. 

Ok, will look if the rest is also full of such fail...

EDIT: @OP Why on earth do you post this nonsense... Oh, I just saw your sig - Now it makes sense. You know you have a spelling error in your sig right?


Spelling error really where? Spelling was never my strong suite but everything I wrote looks like it's spelled right, Bad gramer maybe...

as to why I thought it was funny mostly and burried in there, there are some points lol

You probably shouldn't take anything I say to seriusly TBH I don't


You don't seem to take yourself TOO (there's a hint right there) seriously so no worries man


technically that is a grammatical error not a spelling one as I have not used the correct word but it is spelled correctly.



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You didn't read my post on page 1 :(



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Slimebeast said:

Is the PS2 GPU much stronger than Tegra 2?


well Tegra 2 is a range of chips but the Tegra 2 chips released so far are about on the same level as the xbox one if that tells you anything. I don't really see how it's relevent to the thread considering that the NGP doesn't use a Tegra chip tho...



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zarx said:
Slimebeast said:
zarx said:

some interesting points mixed with some obviously flame bait ones lol, still it's interesting

"

 

Because videogames journalism is embarrassingly bad.

 

1. Two quad-core processors boasting PS3-esque power in something the size of a PSP? Given that a PS3 is about 30 times the size of a PSP and still needs a fan you could get a medium-sized helicopter off the ground with (and which makes about the same amount of noise), how on Earth are they going to manage that without the thing melting in your hands after three minutes?

2

How can it have two quad-core CPUs?

it's got a 4 core ARM CPU and the GPU design they are using (same as the iPhone) has 4 "cores or at least that is what the designers call them. http://www.techradar.com/news/gaming/consoles/inside-the-sony-ngp-the-cpu-and-gpu-in-detail-924306

So is it like 25% faster than an iPhone 4 or is it magnitudes more powerful?



Shadowriver said:

You didn't read my post on page 1 :(

oh I read it the Cell in the PS3 only has 7 SPEs BTW and SPEs aren't really comparable to actual CPU cores as they lack any cache or branch predictors etc it's better to think of them as co-processors really but otherwise your tech assessment seems good. I will still use the term flash memory instead of the correct term tho as it's easier to recognise and are esentially the same outside of protocols and the ability to write. People are more familiar with the term flash memory anyway.



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Shadowriver said:

Thing is you don't have even tear drop of technology awarness

1.First of all PS3 done have 2x Quad-core CPU, it got single Cell processor that is single-core CPU supported with eight SPEs cores, that untypical architecture is reason of PS3 being told that it's hard to program, since it's need heavy multi-threading to be bale to use it's full potencial. But putting that aside, portable CPUs are made to be power economic and less heat as possible, also they got slower clocks. How PS3 get ported in inferior hardware, i got theory how they do that that anwsers also quastion number...

2. Game developer not programing CPUs or any hardware direcly, things liek that exits in 8-bit and 16-bit are when CPU machine code in form of assebler languge was in range of human understanding. After that higher languge taken over, like C/C , to control hardware APIs was made by the hardware developers. APIs is set of easier functions ,something like simple function activating other code this is more complex, that for example can control hardware.  API can be replaced to be use in other hardware, but higher code that using that API don't need to change at all since name of functions not changeing. What im saing here (and thats my theory) what Sony did is to make NGP SDK APIs very similar to PS3 APIs, allowing to speed up the porting process. But here one thing, what you see on videos is not so butiful as it is in PS3 in detail, it surly infarior graphics that you need to watch it closly to see the diffrence, most visble on demos was lower resolution shodows (causing chopy shape of them). Even if this look like PS3 power, it isn't, graphics are lowered down to power of NGP.

3. Flash memory is have ability to write and read..... yes write and we don't need that to game medium. Insted of useing Flash Sony can use some kind of ROM that is programable only once and is cheaper in production then flash memory, same tech that Nintendo using

4. anwser on quastion 3 solves that

5. You bet, that what developers liek the most... not kidding.

6. Execpt communication (that you anwsered yourself), cameras allows for Extender Reality games, on front camera it can involve  face to that. But for develop it's not mater it's just input device that can be used in some way, for example for quick pic of you face that can be used in game.

7. I don't know :p keep in mind PS3 still have similar sales to cheaper 360

8. PSP is most succesful non-Nintendo portable console ever made, lot of portable manufactures would sell there soul to be in Sony's position right now and, throwing this out would throwing golden fish without saying the wishes. Look other portable console trys and compire this to PSP. Also look on stationery consoles, PlayStation kicked Nintendo back-parts sky high, did Nintendo resignate no. Xbox was also not much of sucess, did they resignate? No. You won't build postion without trying.

9. Yes and no. If NGP will run android, it will run Android apllication that is writen in Java, Games on other hand are made in compiled in native hardware code and won't be able to run it on other hardware then NGP.

10. That quastion is nothing more they joke :p

Why did everyoe ignore this post?



Slimebeast said:
zarx said:
Slimebeast said:
zarx said:

some interesting points mixed with some obviously flame bait ones lol, still it's interesting

"

 

Because videogames journalism is embarrassingly bad.

 

1. Two quad-core processors boasting PS3-esque power in something the size of a PSP? Given that a PS3 is about 30 times the size of a PSP and still needs a fan you could get a medium-sized helicopter off the ground with (and which makes about the same amount of noise), how on Earth are they going to manage that without the thing melting in your hands after three minutes?

2

How can it have two quad-core CPUs?

it's got a 4 core ARM CPU and the GPU design they are using (same as the iPhone) has 4 "cores or at least that is what the designers call them. http://www.techradar.com/news/gaming/consoles/inside-the-sony-ngp-the-cpu-and-gpu-in-detail-924306

So is it like 25% faster than an iPhone 4 or is it magnitudes more powerful?

oh I should have been clear the iPhone's GPU is by the same manufacturer but is a generation older (incremental) and only has a single GPU core so theoretically the NGP is 4 iPhone 4's duck taped together. But NGP's performance will be slighlty better than that sugests as SONY have finnaly learnt that easy to use but powerfull APIs are a good idea and have created a bunch of low level API's (think Open GL/Direct X) built to directly acces the hardware in the NGP which according to John Carmack will allow developers to get resaults far beyond what could be acomplished on a smart phone with the same specs through generic APIs.



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