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M.U.G.E.N on 30 January 2011
RafaelOrix said:
M.U.G.E.N said:
ElGranCabeza said:
M.U.G.E.N said:
ElGranCabeza said:
Don86 said:

Why oh why do they have word it as "gears style game" instead of "uncharted style game"?

Are they secretly implying that gears is better than uncharted? :P


Hmmmm yes?

hmm no?

besides we already have a glorious looking Uncharted game for the psp :) and UC and Gears are very different games

and peepz can we get back on track now? and talk about the 'news' at hand? Do you guys think TPS focused games will be great for NGP?


Why would Mark Rein even imply that Gears is not better than Uncharted? If you ask him, he'll straight up say it is.


I think you are reading too much into it..but I don't want to start another few pages long debate on it so let's leave it at that

@THismeintiel: exactly! and with the new control schemes introduced we might see some interesting gameplay mechanics. I really wanna see a survivial Horror game on this :D would be awesome (Dead Space Portable anyone?)

Dead Space is so going to happen, TPS will work great with the NGP, plus the new input methods may grant new gameplay additions. That puzzle thing on Dead Space Extraction (dunno if it's there on Dead Space 1 and 2) would be very welcome using the touch screen or even the motion controls on the NGP. Visceral already talked a little about Dead Space on NGP, pretty sure they are doing something with it already.

TPS is one of my favorite type of game, so I hope to see a lot of this type on the NGP and Dead Space would be one awesome addition (co-op this time, please lol).

yeah I read that interview, the fact that they said that if they were to make a game for NGP they will make it a new game and not a port gives me hope, it should be great.



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dahuman on 30 January 2011
ElGranCabeza said:
dahuman said:
ElGranCabeza said:
dahuman said:

Let me make this thread a conclusion, Epic can do whatever the hell they want with Gears of War, but it's most likely an IP that shows "we like you" to MS, it's probably more a business decision based on both parties.

 

ElGran, it's OK to be wrong, just man up. You don't need to know everything in the world nor can you control what common definitions mean as a single person, it's not a big fucking deal. Learn from it instead.


But....I'm not wrong

 

@MarkRein Mark Rein
@xXTrbekXx @therealcliffyb it means NGP, by virtue of its dual analog sticks, is suited to games like Gears but Gears itself is only on 360

Yes you are, they are saying that Gears is only on 360 but you are arguing that MS has control over where Gears goes, which is what you have been posting all over the place and that part is not true. It's just a business decision.

"Business" decision that involves consulting MS, a partner that owns parts of the rights to the franchise on where the franchise can and cannot go.

No, MS has zero right on doing that, as far as the law goes, Epic can easily find another publisher, like EA, and do the same thing Bioware did with Mass Effect 2 onwards. MS doesn't own shit besides the publishing right to Gears 1 and 2. So you are wrong no matter how you try to spin it, and people have already proved you wrong on that topic multiple times. You obviously don't know much when it comes to basic laws.



ElGranCabeza on 30 January 2011
RVDondaPC said:

Microsoft owns distribution rights of Gears 1 and 2. They don't own the Gears franchise. If MS publishes Gears 3 then they will own distribution rights to Gears 3 as well. Any gears game MS publishes will not come to the NGP or any place MS doesn't want it to. But if Epic decides to go with a different publisher for future Gear games then those games can go anywhere they want it to go, including the NGP.


That's incorrect. I'm glad you brought up Gears 3 so that I can elaborate it like this so you guys can understand:

Gears 2 only cost U$12 million to make, so we can safely assume that Gears 3 is in that range as well, but let's be pessimistic and say it cost U$20 million to make. Gears 3 will sell 7-10 million copies alone on the 360, but if it was a multiplatform release from the get go, then we can safely assume a worst case scenario of 2 million on PS3 and 500k on PC. That's the absolute minimum it would do on those platforms if the game released across all platforms at the same time. 

So in terms of revenue, and again looking at worst case, unrealistic scenario of Epic making U$10 bucks per game sold during its lifetime, would give them an extra U$25 million in Epic's pocket. Oh, port costs you say? Let's assume another unrealistic scenario of the port costing 1/4 of the total game cost which would be U$5 million (this is unrealistic, Epic doesn't need to license their own engine and they know their engine better than anyone else), this would mean an extra U$20 mil in Epic's pocket. This is the absolute worst case, completely unrealstic, would never happen scenario. Real life scenario is significantly more money.. Do you guys really think MS would pay Epic U$20 million just to keep Gears 3 exclusive on 360? Give me a break.



ElGranCabeza on 30 January 2011
dahuman said:
ElGranCabeza said:
dahuman said:
ElGranCabeza said:
dahuman said:

Let me make this thread a conclusion, Epic can do whatever the hell they want with Gears of War, but it's most likely an IP that shows "we like you" to MS, it's probably more a business decision based on both parties.

 

ElGran, it's OK to be wrong, just man up. You don't need to know everything in the world nor can you control what common definitions mean as a single person, it's not a big fucking deal. Learn from it instead.


But....I'm not wrong

 

@MarkRein Mark Rein
@xXTrbekXx @therealcliffyb it means NGP, by virtue of its dual analog sticks, is suited to games like Gears but Gears itself is only on 360

Yes you are, they are saying that Gears is only on 360 but you are arguing that MS has control over where Gears goes, which is what you have been posting all over the place and that part is not true. It's just a business decision.

"Business" decision that involves consulting MS, a partner that owns parts of the rights to the franchise on where the franchise can and cannot go.

No, MS has zero right on doing that, as far as the law goes, Epic can easily find another publisher, like EA, and do the same thing Bioware did with Mass Effect 2 onwards. MS doesn't own shit besides the publishing right to Gears 1 and 2. So you are wrong no matter how you try to spin it, and people have already proved you wrong on that topic multiple times. You obviously don't know much when it comes to basic laws.


So you know more than Mark Rein? Read my post above.



dahuman on 31 January 2011
ElGranCabeza said:
dahuman said:
ElGranCabeza said:
dahuman said:
ElGranCabeza said:
dahuman said:

Let me make this thread a conclusion, Epic can do whatever the hell they want with Gears of War, but it's most likely an IP that shows "we like you" to MS, it's probably more a business decision based on both parties.

 

ElGran, it's OK to be wrong, just man up. You don't need to know everything in the world nor can you control what common definitions mean as a single person, it's not a big fucking deal. Learn from it instead.


But....I'm not wrong

 

@MarkRein Mark Rein
@xXTrbekXx @therealcliffyb it means NGP, by virtue of its dual analog sticks, is suited to games like Gears but Gears itself is only on 360

Yes you are, they are saying that Gears is only on 360 but you are arguing that MS has control over where Gears goes, which is what you have been posting all over the place and that part is not true. It's just a business decision.

"Business" decision that involves consulting MS, a partner that owns parts of the rights to the franchise on where the franchise can and cannot go.

No, MS has zero right on doing that, as far as the law goes, Epic can easily find another publisher, like EA, and do the same thing Bioware did with Mass Effect 2 onwards. MS doesn't own shit besides the publishing right to Gears 1 and 2. So you are wrong no matter how you try to spin it, and people have already proved you wrong on that topic multiple times. You obviously don't know much when it comes to basic laws.


So you know more than Mark Rein? Read my post above.

That's the beauty of the words that these people type. He never mentioned whether he meant it as a franchise exclusive or Gears of War which is in fact only on the 360 as far as console gaming goes. Not to mention that your argument is that MS has control of where the Gears franchise goes in the future, in which you are still 100% wrong, since Mark Rein is the Vice Prisident oF Epic Games, he doesn't work for MS. You are still trying to spin your incorrect assumptions without actual facts on actual laws, and you lost that war about a page or 2 ago and not even by my hands.



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ElGranCabeza on 31 January 2011
dahuman said:
ElGranCabeza said:
dahuman said:
ElGranCabeza said:
dahuman said:
ElGranCabeza said:
dahuman said:

Let me make this thread a conclusion, Epic can do whatever the hell they want with Gears of War, but it's most likely an IP that shows "we like you" to MS, it's probably more a business decision based on both parties.

 

ElGran, it's OK to be wrong, just man up. You don't need to know everything in the world nor can you control what common definitions mean as a single person, it's not a big fucking deal. Learn from it instead.


But....I'm not wrong

 

@MarkRein Mark Rein
@xXTrbekXx @therealcliffyb it means NGP, by virtue of its dual analog sticks, is suited to games like Gears but Gears itself is only on 360

Yes you are, they are saying that Gears is only on 360 but you are arguing that MS has control over where Gears goes, which is what you have been posting all over the place and that part is not true. It's just a business decision.

"Business" decision that involves consulting MS, a partner that owns parts of the rights to the franchise on where the franchise can and cannot go.

No, MS has zero right on doing that, as far as the law goes, Epic can easily find another publisher, like EA, and do the same thing Bioware did with Mass Effect 2 onwards. MS doesn't own shit besides the publishing right to Gears 1 and 2. So you are wrong no matter how you try to spin it, and people have already proved you wrong on that topic multiple times. You obviously don't know much when it comes to basic laws.


So you know more than Mark Rein? Read my post above.

That's the beauty of the words that these people type. He never mentioned whether he meant it as a franchise exclusive or Gears of War which is in fact only on the 360 as far as console gaming goes. Not to mention that your argument is that MS has control of where the Gears franchise goes in the future, in which you are still 100% wrong, since Mark Rein is the Vice Prisident oF Epic Games, he doesn't work for MS. You are still trying to spin your incorrect assumptions without actual facts on actual laws, and you lost that war about a page or 2 ago and not even by my hands.

Mark answered a direct question asking whether or not Gears was coming to NGP, he wasn't trying to spin anything. You're reading too much into it.



dahuman on 01 February 2011
ElGranCabeza said:
dahuman said:
ElGranCabeza said:
dahuman said:
ElGranCabeza said:
dahuman said:
ElGranCabeza said:
dahuman said:

Let me make this thread a conclusion, Epic can do whatever the hell they want with Gears of War, but it's most likely an IP that shows "we like you" to MS, it's probably more a business decision based on both parties.

 

ElGran, it's OK to be wrong, just man up. You don't need to know everything in the world nor can you control what common definitions mean as a single person, it's not a big fucking deal. Learn from it instead.


But....I'm not wrong

 

@MarkRein Mark Rein
@xXTrbekXx @therealcliffyb it means NGP, by virtue of its dual analog sticks, is suited to games like Gears but Gears itself is only on 360

Yes you are, they are saying that Gears is only on 360 but you are arguing that MS has control over where Gears goes, which is what you have been posting all over the place and that part is not true. It's just a business decision.

"Business" decision that involves consulting MS, a partner that owns parts of the rights to the franchise on where the franchise can and cannot go.

No, MS has zero right on doing that, as far as the law goes, Epic can easily find another publisher, like EA, and do the same thing Bioware did with Mass Effect 2 onwards. MS doesn't own shit besides the publishing right to Gears 1 and 2. So you are wrong no matter how you try to spin it, and people have already proved you wrong on that topic multiple times. You obviously don't know much when it comes to basic laws.


So you know more than Mark Rein? Read my post above.

That's the beauty of the words that these people type. He never mentioned whether he meant it as a franchise exclusive or Gears of War which is in fact only on the 360 as far as console gaming goes. Not to mention that your argument is that MS has control of where the Gears franchise goes in the future, in which you are still 100% wrong, since Mark Rein is the Vice Prisident oF Epic Games, he doesn't work for MS. You are still trying to spin your incorrect assumptions without actual facts on actual laws, and you lost that war about a page or 2 ago and not even by my hands.

Mark answered a direct question asking whether or not Gears was coming to NGP, he wasn't trying to spin anything. You're reading too much into it.

You are now trying to change the topic into something else completely different when you are the one that brought that quote in. I'm not reading too much into it, you are reading it completely wrong. Case point, MS has no say when it comes to Gears franchise, it's Epic's call, stop with the fail already. I don't know why you are trying to spin things still, are you not man enough to admit that you were wrong against those others about who owns what? This is getting really sad now.



Cross-X on 01 February 2011

Woah shit people let's leave this topic a rest hey?

 

I mean it's been derailed so badly and yet we continue to argue.

Let's just leave it and move on!



ElGranCabeza on 02 February 2011
dahuman said:
ElGranCabeza said:
dahuman said:
ElGranCabeza said:
dahuman said:
ElGranCabeza said:
dahuman said:
ElGranCabeza said:
dahuman said:

Let me make this thread a conclusion, Epic can do whatever the hell they want with Gears of War, but it's most likely an IP that shows "we like you" to MS, it's probably more a business decision based on both parties.

 

ElGran, it's OK to be wrong, just man up. You don't need to know everything in the world nor can you control what common definitions mean as a single person, it's not a big fucking deal. Learn from it instead.


But....I'm not wrong

 

@MarkRein Mark Rein
@xXTrbekXx @therealcliffyb it means NGP, by virtue of its dual analog sticks, is suited to games like Gears but Gears itself is only on 360

Yes you are, they are saying that Gears is only on 360 but you are arguing that MS has control over where Gears goes, which is what you have been posting all over the place and that part is not true. It's just a business decision.

"Business" decision that involves consulting MS, a partner that owns parts of the rights to the franchise on where the franchise can and cannot go.

No, MS has zero right on doing that, as far as the law goes, Epic can easily find another publisher, like EA, and do the same thing Bioware did with Mass Effect 2 onwards. MS doesn't own shit besides the publishing right to Gears 1 and 2. So you are wrong no matter how you try to spin it, and people have already proved you wrong on that topic multiple times. You obviously don't know much when it comes to basic laws.


So you know more than Mark Rein? Read my post above.

That's the beauty of the words that these people type. He never mentioned whether he meant it as a franchise exclusive or Gears of War which is in fact only on the 360 as far as console gaming goes. Not to mention that your argument is that MS has control of where the Gears franchise goes in the future, in which you are still 100% wrong, since Mark Rein is the Vice Prisident oF Epic Games, he doesn't work for MS. You are still trying to spin your incorrect assumptions without actual facts on actual laws, and you lost that war about a page or 2 ago and not even by my hands.

Mark answered a direct question asking whether or not Gears was coming to NGP, he wasn't trying to spin anything. You're reading too much into it.

You are now trying to change the topic into something else completely different when you are the one that brought that quote in. I'm not reading too much into it, you are reading it completely wrong. Case point, MS has no say when it comes to Gears franchise, it's Epic's call, stop with the fail already. I don't know why you are trying to spin things still, are you not man enough to admit that you were wrong against those others about who owns what? This is getting really sad now.

I'm not wrong or spinning anything.



osamanobama on 02 February 2011
ElGranCabeza said:
M.U.G.E.N said:
ElGranCabeza said:
Don86 said:

Why oh why do they have word it as "gears style game" instead of "uncharted style game"?

Are they secretly implying that gears is better than uncharted? :P


Hmmmm yes?

hmm no?

besides we already have a glorious looking Uncharted game for the psp :) and UC and Gears are very different games

and peepz can we get back on track now? and talk about the 'news' at hand? Do you guys think TPS focused games will be great for NGP?


Why would Mark Rein even imply that Gears is not better than Uncharted? If you ask him, he'll straight up say it is.

isnt Uncharted 2 meta 96, yes. and doesnt uncharted have the most perfect scores and game of the year awards ever. (or at least close to it)