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Should People Take Justice Into Their Own Hands (partocular case)

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Your argueing makes me LOL. You guys are so stuck in the matrix of false history...

100 years ago, everything became this way... To find the answer to the mystery...

Get out of the matrix guys, practise trancendental meditation till you can leave the matrix and change the past and future with your mind... You'll realize all the religions, history, and physics of the world are an illusion all based on the ultimate truth, which is beyond human words, and can only be experienced directly through meditation, drugs LSD and DMT... And through dying. Prayer also.



Disrarge said:

Your argueing makes me LOL. You guys are so stuck in the matrix of false history...

100 years ago, everything became this way... To find the answer to the mystery...

Get out of the matrix guys, practise trancendental meditation till you can leave the matrix and change the past and future with your mind... You'll realize all the religions, history, and physics of the world are an illusion all based on the ultimate truth, which is beyond human words, and can only be experienced directly through meditation, drugs LSD and DMT... And through dying. Prayer also.

Funny that you can find the truth with drugs that induce hallucinations.



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sapphi_snake said:
Disrarge said:

Your argueing makes me LOL. You guys are so stuck in the matrix of false history...

100 years ago, everything became this way... To find the answer to the mystery...

Get out of the matrix guys, practise trancendental meditation till you can leave the matrix and change the past and future with your mind... You'll realize all the religions, history, and physics of the world are an illusion all based on the ultimate truth, which is beyond human words, and can only be experienced directly through meditation, drugs LSD and DMT... And through dying. Prayer also.

Funny that you can find the truth with drugs that induce hallucinations.

If you knew the physics of an LSD and/or DMT trips, you'd know they make you travel to alternate universes(that CAN effect the REAL WORLD) where energy flow are visual and touchable realities.
Did you know... DMT is released during deep meditation(and the deepest sleep dreams)? Did you know... an LSD tripper has opened up the same mental connections(egolessness) that an advanced yogi acheives?

I DO NOT recommend drugs. I said meditation first, before the drugs. Meditation, drugs(hallucenogenic only), and prayer to a higher power are the only things capable of bringing you out of the matrix. (Some claim Gautama Buddha did it without these... But Buddha was actually a hindu and was in constant battle with the God of Death, Mara, he attained nirvana(freedom from the matrix) by battling a god with his own power(and losing, because he had to die to attain the final parinirvana. I want to attain the final parinivana without dying, something Buddha said not possible, because he thought you had to accept death to seek true freedom from the matrix), a higher power was still required to tempt him into denying his birthright(king, ruler, rich man) so he could become the Buddha of our age). 

When you die and wake up in an alternate universe with new memories and know new peoples... Probably sometime around the age of four(in the new reality). You'll understand. Until then, live and die over and over in the matrix not knowing we're in a trancendental program created by the 'gods' and "devils".



The_vagabond7 said:

I know what the links say, I've read all about the history of christianity. It isn't flattering. Constantine didn't need a deity to worship, he had plenty. It was just chance that he ended up going with Yahweh. If he had decided to go with visions of Mars we'd all be martians now, and christianity would be an odd historical footnote. 

 And trying to claim that the christian god was a part of rome becoming a christian empire isn't at all flattering to yahweh, or Jesus. It would imply that he installed a pagan emperor to spearhead his proselytizing initiative  by assisting him in a violent war, convincing him of his power, then he installed the most vile and traitorous of the christians to seats of power, having them violently act out against those that called them out on being traitors to god, then lead to a period of integrating paganism into christianity before installing one of the most powerful, violent and racist organizations in history to have them spend centuries waging brutally violent torturous wars to spread teachings of his grace and love, and also his intense hatred of various groups. I'm failing to see where this is a PR win for the judeo-christian god or jesus.

It was chance he went with one of the few gods who you actually couldn't worship freely without being punished for?

As far as I know the whole "paint crosses on the shield" thing is generally seen as mostly Apochyrphl.   I don't even think crosses were used by the Christians at that time.  I think his "crosses" actually were different from the Christian sign which was much more ankh like or something.  The whole story comes from him or so it's said, but not until like decades afterwords... and nobody was like  "Hey what's with the Christian symbolism" in all that time?

His Mother was a Christian.   Despite all the hardships placed on christians, the religion was spreading... espeically among those important enough to avoid the penalties.

Despite all the penalties there were enough groups that they were well split... and big enough that he felt the need to combine chrisitianity into one group... that he controlled.

Constantine, saw the political usefulness of Christianity, and he saw the reality that it was taking over, despite all attempts to stop it. 

So he decided to control it.  I mean hell even well past where people place his "conversion" he practiced other religions as well... up until his death.  Using their rituals as well.  In reality, i'd guess he didn't believe any of it.

Rome was conquered before Constantine.  Constantine in turn twisted Christianity into what he wanted realizing that he couldn't fight the oncoming water head on but could divert it... and Christianity went off the path of peace and pacisfism, in such a way that it still tries to put itself back on.



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sapphi_snake said:
pizzahut451 said:


It is flattering when you think about how they haunted christians down and than later they themselfes became christian. It would be like Nazi Germany becoming jewish. Also, what the hell is yahweh? A jewish God? Dont mix that up. Because romans had much diffrent relations with jews and christians back than...

Anyway, Constanite's mother was also christian and Constantine claimed he saw the icon of Jesus and and a christian cross on the battlefield, so i would say that he was enlightend by God and Jesus Christ. He had no reason to make that stuff up, he didnt need to. He didnt just roll a dice and picked Christian God by an accident. I think something made him choose christianity, which is what i find fascinatig - his soldeirs were killing christians all over Isreal, and than he, the emperor, turns out christian.

And no one argued about the history of Christianity here, we all know some people forced their religion on others. I was just saying how amzaing it is for Christianity to conquer the empire tha tried to whipe it out. And dont try to put his actions as part of history of christianity. Its history isnt about how it was forced on people as many angry  atheists fundamentalists would have you believe. Christianity also didnt spread across europe using only violence. History of Christianity is about Jesus Christ and his teachings. Here is another link that explaines the stuff very well:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constantine_the_Great#Religious_policy

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_centers_of_Christianity

Yes he did. In case you don't know this people made stuff like that up all the time back then (people still do now).As Vagabond said, it was just chance that he chose Christianity, nothing fascinationg like you want to beleive.

Vagabond did a better job than I could at exposing how vile Christians were, and how the ideea that they "conquered" Rome without violence is a myth (and it's well known how it spread around the rest of Europe). You may want to cover your ears with your hands and go "lalalala", but that's the "glorious" history of your religion: dumb luck, lies, and violence.

P.S.: Both historical and biblical scholars agree that Jesus was born during the summer. Vagabond is also right about why Christmas is celebrated during winter.

 

This off-topic conversation is over!


No, just because you see no value in any person's belief and you think switiching your deepest beliefs prayers and wishes are as simple as changing new shoes doesnt make it so. Why did he choose christianity when he could have choosen any of other hunderds of religions back than?  The fact that he choose Jesus Christ is even more compelling when you consider his own people crusified him and tortured him to death. YOU can cover your ears and say ''OH noesz, hes been brainwashed by those lying bastards, or he could have just picked the religion his own empire has been trying to whipe out for decades., but there is no way he actually believed in Jesus Christ'' BY HIS OWN WORDS, HE SAID he had a vision of Jesus Christ coming down from the skies in the battlefield embracing him and his men. You can believe in this or not, but these were HIS OWN words, he claimed this was the reason he choose Christianity /there is also the fact that his own mother was Christian) His vision of Christ on the evening before the battle at the Pons Milvius, with the message that if he would put a certain sign on the shields of his soldiers this would give him victory (in hoc signo vinces) is pretty convincing. Call this whatever you want, but that means he didnt chose Christianity by accident. He may wasnt a pure christian (he worshiped pagan Sun God), but these kind of stuff cant be ignored in his life.

As for '' without violence'' part, Christianity did spread trough Rome without violence. By the time of apostle Paul, there wre already christians in Rome, by the 2nd century they were under a leadership of a bishop.By the time, Constantine claimed the tile of an emperor, 10% of population in Rome was already christian. Its amazing that so mayn Roman people discriminated christians, and later on, most of them became one. Rome was pretty much already conquerd by Christianity while he sat on the throne as an emperor. When he later became christian, and saw the enormous violence-free growth of Christianity in his empire, he tried to twist it to fit his politics.

Constantine killed other orthodox christians which he tought were fake and put his own christian people in the leadership, he didnt go around killing non- christians in rome for believing in diffrent God, as you would like to believe.      



Kasz216 said:
The_vagabond7 said:

I know what the links say, I've read all about the history of christianity. It isn't flattering. Constantine didn't need a deity to worship, he had plenty. It was just chance that he ended up going with Yahweh. If he had decided to go with visions of Mars we'd all be martians now, and christianity would be an odd historical footnote. 

 And trying to claim that the christian god was a part of rome becoming a christian empire isn't at all flattering to yahweh, or Jesus. It would imply that he installed a pagan emperor to spearhead his proselytizing initiative  by assisting him in a violent war, convincing him of his power, then he installed the most vile and traitorous of the christians to seats of power, having them violently act out against those that called them out on being traitors to god, then lead to a period of integrating paganism into christianity before installing one of the most powerful, violent and racist organizations in history to have them spend centuries waging brutally violent torturous wars to spread teachings of his grace and love, and also his intense hatred of various groups. I'm failing to see where this is a PR win for the judeo-christian god or jesus.

It was chance he went with one of the few gods who you actually couldn't worship freely without being punished for?

As far as I know the whole "paint crosses on the shield" thing is generally seen as mostly Apochyrphl.   I don't even think crosses were used by the Christians at that time.  I think his "crosses" actually were different from the Christian sign which was much more ankh like or something.  The whole story comes from him or so it's said, but not until like decades afterwords... and nobody was like  "Hey what's with the Christian symbolism" in all that time?

His Mother was a Christian.   Despite all the hardships placed on christians, the religion was spreading... espeically among those important enough to avoid the penalties.

Despite all the penalties there were enough groups that they were well split... and big enough that he felt the need to combine chrisitianity into one group... that he controlled.

Constantine, saw the political usefulness of Christianity, and he saw the reality that it was taking over, despite all attempts to stop it. 

So he decided to control it.  I mean hell even well past where people place his "conversion" he practiced other religions as well... up until his death.  Using their rituals as well.  In reality, i'd guess he didn't believe any of it.

Rome was conquered before Constantine.  Constantine in turn twisted Christianity into what he wanted realizing that he couldn't fight the oncoming water head on but could divert it... and Christianity went off the path of peace and pacisfism, in such a way that it still tries to put itself back on.


That is an excellent point there, than you for sharing that. I learned something today



pizzahut451 said:


No, just because you see no value in any person's belief and you think switiching your deepest beliefs prayers and wishes are as simple as changing new shoes doesnt make it so. Why did he choose christianity when he could have choosen any of other hunderds of religions back than?  The fact that he choose Jesus Christ is even more compelling when you consider his own people crusified him and tortured him to death. YOU can cover your ears and say ''OH noesz, hes been brainwashed by those lying bastards, or he could have just picked the religion his own empire has been trying to whipe out for decades., but there is no way he actually believed in Jesus Christ'' BY HIS OWN WORDS, HE SAID he had a vision of Jesus Christ coming down from the skies in the battlefield embracing him and his men. You can believe in this or not, but these were HIS OWN words, he claimed this was the reason he choose Christianity /there is also the fact that his own mother was Christian) His vision of Christ on the evening before the battle at the Pons Milvius, with the message that if he would put a certain sign on the shields of his soldiers this would give him victory (in hoc signo vinces) is pretty convincing. Call this whatever you want, but that means he didnt chose Christianity by accident. He may wasnt a pure christian (he worshiped pagan Sun God), but these kind of stuff cant be ignored in his life.

As for '' without violence'' part, Christianity did spread trough Rome without violence. By the time of apostle Paul, there wre already christians in Rome, by the 2nd century they were under a leadership of a bishop.By the time, Constantine claimed the tile of an emperor, 10% of population in Rome was already christian. Its amazing that so mayn Roman people discriminated christians, and later on, most of them became one. Rome was pretty much already conquerd by Christianity while he sat on the throne as an emperor. When he later became christian, and saw the enormous violence-free growth of Christianity in his empire, he tried to twist it to fit his politics.

Constantine killed other orthodox christians which he tought were fake and put his own christian people in the leadership, he didnt go around killing non- christians in rome for believing in diffrent God, as you would like to believe.      

Pagans were killed for not converting, however it was not Constantine who did that (he didn't even make Christianity the dominat religion).

Anyways, you are aware that Kasz's post doesn't support your "vision" delusion, right?

Regardless, I'm not going to continue this argument, as there's not much point to it. Your ramblings won't change the fact that your religion isn't true, and that it has a violent and bloody past.



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                                                                               (The Voice of a Generation and Seece)

"If you cant stand the sound of your own voice than dont become a singer !!!!!"

                                                                               (pizzahut451)

With all due respect kaz, any references for any of that? I mean that legitimately, not in a snarky way. It's contradictory to most of what I've read of christian history, and sounds kind of like theorizing of what may have been going through his head.



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The_vagabond7 said:

With all due respect kaz, any references for any of that? I mean that legitimately, not in a snarky way. It's contradictory to most of what I've read of christian history, and sounds kind of like theorizing of what may have been going through his head.

"The Age of Constantine the Great" is one book that states it.  Basically any book before like... 1945 that was written after the church had lost it's "main" influence.

It's really only contradictory to what you've read because lately people have gone with the "he was legitamitly a christian" angle even though there is no proof or change.

It was the actual "main belief" that persisted once the Church stopped dominating things and tried to portray Constantine ina n ideal light.


All books on Constantines motives are theorizing though.  It's worth noting though, and this is a historical fact.

He didn't convert to Christianity until days before his death.