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sapphi_snake said:
pizzahut451 said:


It is flattering when you think about how they haunted christians down and than later they themselfes became christian. It would be like Nazi Germany becoming jewish. Also, what the hell is yahweh? A jewish God? Dont mix that up. Because romans had much diffrent relations with jews and christians back than...

Anyway, Constanite's mother was also christian and Constantine claimed he saw the icon of Jesus and and a christian cross on the battlefield, so i would say that he was enlightend by God and Jesus Christ. He had no reason to make that stuff up, he didnt need to. He didnt just roll a dice and picked Christian God by an accident. I think something made him choose christianity, which is what i find fascinatig - his soldeirs were killing christians all over Isreal, and than he, the emperor, turns out christian.

And no one argued about the history of Christianity here, we all know some people forced their religion on others. I was just saying how amzaing it is for Christianity to conquer the empire tha tried to whipe it out. And dont try to put his actions as part of history of christianity. Its history isnt about how it was forced on people as many angry  atheists fundamentalists would have you believe. Christianity also didnt spread across europe using only violence. History of Christianity is about Jesus Christ and his teachings. Here is another link that explaines the stuff very well:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constantine_the_Great#Religious_policy

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_centers_of_Christianity

Yes he did. In case you don't know this people made stuff like that up all the time back then (people still do now).As Vagabond said, it was just chance that he chose Christianity, nothing fascinationg like you want to beleive.

Vagabond did a better job than I could at exposing how vile Christians were, and how the ideea that they "conquered" Rome without violence is a myth (and it's well known how it spread around the rest of Europe). You may want to cover your ears with your hands and go "lalalala", but that's the "glorious" history of your religion: dumb luck, lies, and violence.

P.S.: Both historical and biblical scholars agree that Jesus was born during the summer. Vagabond is also right about why Christmas is celebrated during winter.

 

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No, just because you see no value in any person's belief and you think switiching your deepest beliefs prayers and wishes are as simple as changing new shoes doesnt make it so. Why did he choose christianity when he could have choosen any of other hunderds of religions back than?  The fact that he choose Jesus Christ is even more compelling when you consider his own people crusified him and tortured him to death. YOU can cover your ears and say ''OH noesz, hes been brainwashed by those lying bastards, or he could have just picked the religion his own empire has been trying to whipe out for decades., but there is no way he actually believed in Jesus Christ'' BY HIS OWN WORDS, HE SAID he had a vision of Jesus Christ coming down from the skies in the battlefield embracing him and his men. You can believe in this or not, but these were HIS OWN words, he claimed this was the reason he choose Christianity /there is also the fact that his own mother was Christian) His vision of Christ on the evening before the battle at the Pons Milvius, with the message that if he would put a certain sign on the shields of his soldiers this would give him victory (in hoc signo vinces) is pretty convincing. Call this whatever you want, but that means he didnt chose Christianity by accident. He may wasnt a pure christian (he worshiped pagan Sun God), but these kind of stuff cant be ignored in his life.

As for '' without violence'' part, Christianity did spread trough Rome without violence. By the time of apostle Paul, there wre already christians in Rome, by the 2nd century they were under a leadership of a bishop.By the time, Constantine claimed the tile of an emperor, 10% of population in Rome was already christian. Its amazing that so mayn Roman people discriminated christians, and later on, most of them became one. Rome was pretty much already conquerd by Christianity while he sat on the throne as an emperor. When he later became christian, and saw the enormous violence-free growth of Christianity in his empire, he tried to twist it to fit his politics.

Constantine killed other orthodox christians which he tought were fake and put his own christian people in the leadership, he didnt go around killing non- christians in rome for believing in diffrent God, as you would like to believe.