And thats why Nazi germany turned jewish !!!!!! But no seriously, the one day the empire wants to destroy a religion, and the next day, it becoes part of it because religion is a fad? Religion isnt something like clothesr or music that you can just switch to whenever you want. And who the fuck was forced to be christian back than? Christians were haunted down and slaughterd all over isreal, they had no army, nor violent influence on anyone, especially on romans. Romans were by far the strongest empire in the world, they didnt need to listen to anyone if they didnt want to. The truth is, they were blessed by the truth, and by our powerfull God, and our heavenly savior. No one could force Romans to do anything back than, and if they were converted by other christians, im pretty sure its because of what the christians were saying abut their religion, not because it was a fad.

And i know violence was used in roman, but it was used by romans, not the first christians.  Anywyas, the fact remains -  CHRISTIANITY CONQUERD ROME (THE EMPIRE THAT TRIED TO DESTROY IT ) WITHOUT ANY VIOLENCE <<<--- This is a FACT

axt113 said:Disrarge said: I beleive it's not our place to seek revenge... Just Gods... How do you know we are not gods?  Perhaps the gods are within us all, in which case we are allowed to seek revenge by your logic

True. I said it's not our place to seek revenge. Then I said just gods. I mean the gods are just, not it's just god's place to seek revenge. Humans are not gods but they can become gods. Gods are not humans but they can become humans. Men are born of demons, women of angels... But there are good banana and bad banana angels and demons.

See, you can try twisting my words around to whatever you want to make me say. Your effort will be futile because I am the master bater. Master debater I should say.

DO NOT twist my words. As you can see I do it better... Now, GOD is the only person who is allowed to seek revenge. We humans are here to learn lessons, not get revenge on our fellow man. Love you neighbor and hate you neighbor, just don't kill em. God never said we had to be nice to our neighbor... But he did say not to kill em.

1. I was talking about religions in general. I doubt pizzahut knows much abotu pagan religions. Seems like you just want to disagree with me at all costs.

2. Judaism is tied strongly to Jewish ethnical identity and history (as you yourself said). This makes it different than most religions, and is a reason why i hasn't died out, yet it has also never been very popular (because it isn't inclusive).

As for Paul, did he ever meet Jesus? Wasn't he just a self appointed disciple?And what does he have to do with Judaism? He started hiw own religion after all.

As for Christianity, the fact that Roman emperors converted to Christianity when it was unpopular (and really not much more popular than Scientology) is highly unimpressive, as they could do mostly whatever they wanted. The fact that people converted to Christianity to get in the good graces of the emperor is hardly a compliment for Christianity (as it makes it look like a fad). Plus, Christianity did become mandatory eventually, didn't it? Violence was also used in certain parts (like Scandinavia) and of course against pagans, and the so called heretics, the genocide of Native Americans etc. And there's the religious wars bewtween the different Christian sects, you know, violence to assure that a certain type of Christianity will rule over all.

As for that Kakure Kirishitan thing, well Native Americans went underground like that when they were forced to convert. Constant persecution eventually made their religions die out anyway. Not everyone is as violent and consistent at converting others as Christians are.

I'm pretty sure "Thou Shalt Love Thy Neighbour as Thyself" is of of the 10 Commandments FTR. I think that's more than just not killing them.

I'm pretty sure you never paid attention to the bible. The commandment is "You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor." The thing about loving your neighbor as yourself came from Jesus and is not one of the ten commandments. Jesus said love the lord your God with all you heart mind and soul, and love your neighbor as yourself.

If we're getting technical God EL never said that about loving your neighbor. That was Jesus.

I said love your neighbor and hate your neighbor... Because I love and hate myself... That's how I treat my neighbors.

1.  It doesn't matter how much he knows if in general his proof proves his point.

2)  That really isn't why.  Your just being ignorant because as always it takes you forever to admit whe n your wrong.  Native Americans do not practice a pagan religion.  As for the Kakure Kirishitan's dieing out... if they were going to, they would of died out a loooong time before the restrictions came up.

1. He wasn't talking about what you think he was talking about. He was saying that his religion is better than other religions, based on some objective criteria that doesn't exist in reality. How exactly does saying that his religion "speaks of the one true God", or of the "one true massiah who died for our sins" proove his point that Christianity is better than pagan religions? Or are you yourself a Bible thumper, and those "arguments" convice you?

2. It really isn't why. As usual, you're the ignorant one who won't listen.

And Native Americans did practice a pagan religion. All indigenous religions are considered pagan. And since pizzahut is a Christian, when he uses the word "pagan" he reffers to all non-Abrahamic religions, which will obvioulsy include whatever the Native Americans practice/practiced. And the natives (at least in Sounth and Central America), did have underground religious movements, not unlike that Kakure Kirishitan thing you mentioned. If the Kakure Kirishitan had undergone persecution at the level the Native Americans did, they would've died out too.

1. He wasn't talking about what you think he was talking about. He was saying that his religion is better than other religions, based on some objective criteria that doesn't exist in reality. How exactly does saying that his religion "speaks of the one true God", or of the "one true massiah who died for our sins" proove his point that Christianity is better than pagan religions? Or are you yourself a Bible thumper, and those "arguments" convice you?

2. It really isn't why. As usual, you're the ignorant one who won't listen.

And Native Americans did practice a pagan religion. All indigenous religions are considered pagan. And since pizzahut is a Christian, when he uses the word "pagan" he reffers to all non-Abrahamic religions, which will obvioulsy include whatever the Native Americans practice/practiced. And the natives (at least in Sounth and Central America), did have underground religious movements, not unlike that Kakure Kirishitan thing you mentioned. If the Kakure Kirishitan had undergone persecution at the level the Native Americans did, they would've died out too.

So you are saying the Christians used violence on Romans? Yeah, that makes sense considering the size and power of Roman Empire back than... And you should know that by conquering the Empreror, Christianity conquerered Rome.  And sorry to dissapoint you, but religion ws a HUGE deal to people back than, probably one of the most important factors of daily life back than. The Jupiter was Roman most prasied God, and they all rejected him and accepted the true God. And do you mind ansvering this question, why did an Empreror turned Christian when  his Empire haunted christians down for decades? It must have been because of the evil christian bastrds brainwashig him, right? It couldnt possibly be that he actually enlightend by our religion. 

Your second paragraph is straight up pointless, i wasnt arguing waht other christians did, just that the Christianity conquerd Rome without using violence.