Should People Take Justice Into Their Own Hands (partocular case)

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Kasz216 said:

sapphi_snake said:

Kasz216 said:

sapphi_snake said:

Kasz216 said:

1) Actually, I would disagree... most pagan religion's main focus of belief was in fact "My god could beat up your god."   It didn't take much conversion.   You won?  Most of those people adopted your religion.  Judiasm was the first of the "New Religions" whose belief was built more on... well belief.

2)  Judaism is not ethnically tied to anything.  Jewish people are Arabs.  Also, at the time it surivived the Assyrians, the Torah wasn't even completeted!  It's actually events we first learned IN the Torah, and was later historicaly proven.  Which is another point towards the Abrhamic religions by the way.  They appear to be historically accurate.   Few people know this, but the house of Paul... one of Jesus' disciples is something you can visit in Israel.

As for Christianity... well you couldn't be more wrong.   Hell, you brought out my point for me, but actually ignored the salient point of it.   Roman Emperorers converted to Christianity... when it was very unpopular.  (Though it was well more popular then Scientology.)   Christianity conquered and empire that was trying to wipe it out... without using force.

 

If you think it would of been wiped out you should look up the Kakure Kirishitan.

1. I was talking about religions in general. I doubt pizzahut knows much abotu pagan religions. Seems like you just want to disagree with me at all costs.

2. Judaism is tied strongly to Jewish ethnical identity and history (as you yourself said). This makes it different than most religions, and is a reason why i hasn't died out, yet it has also never been very popular (because it isn't inclusive).

As for Paul, did he ever meet Jesus? Wasn't he just a self appointed disciple?And what does he have to do with Judaism? He started hiw own religion after all.

As for Christianity, the fact that Roman emperors converted to Christianity when it was unpopular (and really not much more popular than Scientology) is highly unimpressive, as they could do mostly whatever they wanted. The fact that people converted to Christianity to get in the good graces of the emperor is hardly a compliment for Christianity (as it makes it look like a fad). Plus, Christianity did become mandatory eventually, didn't it? Violence was also used in certain parts (like Scandinavia) and of course against pagans, and the so called heretics, the genocide of Native Americans etc. And there's the religious wars bewtween the different Christian sects, you know, violence to assure that a certain type of Christianity will rule over all.

As for that Kakure Kirishitan thing, well Native Americans went underground like that when they were forced to convert. Constant persecution eventually made their religions die out anyway. Not everyone is as violent and consistent at converting others as Christians are.

1.  It doesn't matter how much he knows if in general his proof proves his point.

2)  That really isn't why.  Your just being ignorant because as always it takes you forever to admit whe n your wrong.  Native Americans do not practice a pagan religion.  As for the Kakure Kirishitan's dieing out... if they were going to, they would of died out a loooong time before the restrictions came up.

1. He wasn't talking about what you think he was talking about. He was saying that his religion is better than other religions, based on some objective criteria that doesn't exist in reality. How exactly does saying that his religion "speaks of the one true God", or of the "one true massiah who died for our sins" proove his point that Christianity is better than pagan religions? Or are you yourself a Bible thumper, and those "arguments" convice you?

2. It really isn't why. As usual, you're the ignorant one who won't listen.

And Native Americans did practice a pagan religion. All indigenous religions are considered pagan. And since pizzahut is a Christian, when he uses the word "pagan" he reffers to all non-Abrahamic religions, which will obvioulsy include whatever the Native Americans practice/practiced. And the natives (at least in Sounth and Central America), did have underground religious movements, not unlike that Kakure Kirishitan thing you mentioned. If the Kakure Kirishitan had undergone persecution at the level the Native Americans did, they would've died out too.

1) what he's saying doesn't really matter.

 

2) Calling the Native American religion a pagan religion is a big misnomer.  The Pagans were an actual group, and in general a term for Europeon nations.  To use it to count Native Americans is just... silly, and in general a catch all some people use for "Everything not Abrahamic."   Aside from which, Native American relgions are basically like monotheistic hinduism from everything i've read.

 

To assume all Christians use the term like that is... pretty bad.  Why you would think that I dont't know.

Also uh... the Kakure Krishtians faced a greater level of persecution quite honestly.

Indians were forced marched with little regard for their health... unless your talking about South and Central American Indians, who really don't like to be called "Native Americans" because they're very much different from the Northern American tribes.  If your talking about them you should say idigenious people of central and south america, or specifically by those the spanish took over.

The Kakure were just outright killed, without chance for conversion.

1. ??? His post was the catalyst of this whole off-topic conversation. Of course what he says matters.

2. You're right, I misused the tern "Native American". I meant the natives from Central and South America, not the ones from the North. They were treated pretty badly, and had an underground religious movement similar to what those Kakure Krishtians had. Their level of persecution was much worse though, especially if you consider that they were the majority, and were killed en-masse and forced to abadon their beliefs, while the Japanese were trying to protect themselves from foreign influencem, and from a violent extremist group (making their acts less despicable, and understandable).

Aas I said, all indigenous religions are considered pagan. And the Christians who conquered the Americas did call the pagans, and Christians do consider all non-Abrahamic religions to be "pagan". It's a term they adopted as the equivalent to the term "gentile" the Jews used. All of the Christians I know would use that term to describe Hindus, for example.