Yes, that is pretty amazing, isn't it :)

The OP is raising two, very different questions.

1) Do you support civilians meting out justice

2) Do you think the point of jail should be rehabilitation, prevention (scaring people away from committing crimes) or revenge/justice depending on your perspective.

 1) In cases that are not really serious enough to warrant police consideration, it can be a good idea. A shop owner may get better results talking to a young thief's parents rather than calling the police. But for serious cases of violence? The sorts of people who are liking to do what you are suggesting will be looking for revenge.

2) Rehabilitation, every time. Prevention is stupid - the majority of crimes are committed because the person either needs money to support themselves and their family, or because they do not think about the consequences of their actions. Rehab is obviously the best because it reduces the amount of crime in the long term. What you describe as justice, shows that your morality is so radically different to mine that I doubt we'll be able to have any meaningful conversation, in all likelihood. Murder is not a suitable response to murder. If the government makes the claim that Person A murdering person b is fine because person b murdered person c, you have a preposterous legal system that cannot rationally be defended

As amazing as people copying "the Rachel" from Jennifer Aniston.

Huh? The fact that christianity conquered the empire that tried to destory it and without using violence is pretty amazing. Just shows how strong and awesome our religion is :D

What I'm saying is that your religion spread like a fad. It's no different than how people try to imitate celebrities these days. The way it spread brings no merit whatsoever to the religion itself, but rather to the people who spread it (any religion the Emperor wold've given special favor to would've ended up the same). Your religion wasn't strong, the Emeperor was strong. The king's who forced all their subjects to convert were strong. Not the religion itself.

And violence was used, both in Rome and in other parts of Europe. When you make a religion the mandatory religion there are always gonna be people who oppose it, and there were many. Not to mention the vilenced between Christians for the supremacy of a certain doctrine (the Inquisition, heretics etc.). And of course there's all the violence against Native Americans. Oh how great your religion is. It's just as violent as any other. And your religion also ended up contributing to the downfall fo Rome, so you can't exactly say it bought any good.

And thats why Nazi germany turned jewish !!!!!! But no seriously, the one day the empire wants to destroy a religion, and the next day, it becoes part of it because religion is a fad? Religion isnt something like clothesr or music that you can just switch to whenever you want. And who the fuck was forced to be christian back than? Christians were haunted down and slaughterd all over isreal, they had no army, nor violent influence on anyone, especially on romans. Romans were by far the strongest empire in the world, they didnt need to listen to anyone if they didnt want to. The truth is, they were blessed by the truth, and by our powerfull God, and our heavenly savior. No one could force Romans to do anything back than, and if they were converted by other christians, im pretty sure its because of what the christians were saying abut their religion, not because it was a fad.

And i know violence was used in roman, but it was used by romans, not the first christians.  Anywyas, the fact remains -  CHRISTIANITY CONQUERD ROME (THE EMPIRE THAT TRIED TO DESTROY IT ) WITHOUT ANY VIOLENCE <<<--- This is a FACT

axt113 said:Disrarge said: I beleive it's not our place to seek revenge... Just Gods... How do you know we are not gods?  Perhaps the gods are within us all, in which case we are allowed to seek revenge by your logic

True. I said it's not our place to seek revenge. Then I said just gods. I mean the gods are just, not it's just god's place to seek revenge. Humans are not gods but they can become gods. Gods are not humans but they can become humans. Men are born of demons, women of angels... But there are good banana and bad banana angels and demons.

See, you can try twisting my words around to whatever you want to make me say. Your effort will be futile because I am the master bater. Master debater I should say.

DO NOT twist my words. As you can see I do it better... Now, GOD is the only person who is allowed to seek revenge. We humans are here to learn lessons, not get revenge on our fellow man. Love you neighbor and hate you neighbor, just don't kill em. God never said we had to be nice to our neighbor... But he did say not to kill em.

It's not a fact. Violence was sued. And again, people coverted because they wanted to be in the Emperor's good graces, after he showed special favor to Christianity, not because they thought the religion was better. People back then did whatever a figure like the emperor would do, in other words they'd be subjected to his whims. And changing your religion is no different than changing you music preference. It's really not a big deal, considering it's all make believe.

Christians themselves also persectured and forcefully converted many Native Americans (and in a couple of decades Latin American countries will have the largest Christian population in the world). Kings from Germanic and Slavic countries forced their subjects to convert, to get in the good graces of the Pope. And violence was used there. And lets not forget all the wars between differen Christian sects (heck, Christians were persecuting eachother in my very country less than a century ago). The ideea that Christianity is a non-violent religion is a myth (the first Christians don't count, as Christianity started gaining influence and popularity when it became mixed up with politics).

1. I was talking about religions in general. I doubt pizzahut knows much abotu pagan religions. Seems like you just want to disagree with me at all costs.

2. Judaism is tied strongly to Jewish ethnical identity and history (as you yourself said). This makes it different than most religions, and is a reason why i hasn't died out, yet it has also never been very popular (because it isn't inclusive).

As for Paul, did he ever meet Jesus? Wasn't he just a self appointed disciple?And what does he have to do with Judaism? He started hiw own religion after all.

As for Christianity, the fact that Roman emperors converted to Christianity when it was unpopular (and really not much more popular than Scientology) is highly unimpressive, as they could do mostly whatever they wanted. The fact that people converted to Christianity to get in the good graces of the emperor is hardly a compliment for Christianity (as it makes it look like a fad). Plus, Christianity did become mandatory eventually, didn't it? Violence was also used in certain parts (like Scandinavia) and of course against pagans, and the so called heretics, the genocide of Native Americans etc. And there's the religious wars bewtween the different Christian sects, you know, violence to assure that a certain type of Christianity will rule over all.

As for that Kakure Kirishitan thing, well Native Americans went underground like that when they were forced to convert. Constant persecution eventually made their religions die out anyway. Not everyone is as violent and consistent at converting others as Christians are.