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sapphi_snake said:
pizzahut451 said:
Kasz216 said:
sapphi_snake said:
Kasz216 said:


1) Er, go back to the link you posted for Outdated.

Note.

"No longer valid or fasionable"

AKA

Outdated = Not Fasionable

Fasionable = Popular

Not Fasionable = Unpopular.

Outdated = Unpopular.

Have you never heard of someones clothes being called outated?

2) Christianity came from Judiasm... and I'm actually not wrong.  Some Christianity spread through force, but not the actual majority of the spreading of the religion.

I mean, do you know what facilitated Christanity to be such a big religion?  It's taking over of an empire that had conquered it.

1. You're both right and wrong. It depends how you use the term "outdated". Words can have several meanings.

In the case of "outdated", it can refer to an objective emasurable quality, or a subjective quality.

For example the fact that the Pentium III processor is outdated compared to the Core i& pricessor is an objective fact that can be determined by comparing their features, capabilities etc. (here we have the objective meaning of "outdated")

Another example: The fact that disco music is considered outdated by today's standard isn't something that can be measured objectively. It's outdated because people no longer like it, its no longer popular, stylish etc. (here we have the subjective meaning of "outdated").

Now, if you mean that a religion's quality of being "outdated" or not depends on people's subjective opinions, then I agree with you. But you surely know that a Bible thumper like pizzahut451 would never devalue his religion by admittign that it's whole validity is dependent on people's whims. He obviously was using the word "outdated" with it's objective meaning, in other words saying that his religion is objectively better than other religions, which I'm sure you can agree is a wrong ideea.

2. Christianity may have come from Judaism, but it doesn't change the fact that they're very different. Judaism is a religion that is strongly tied to a particular ethnicity, and that's why it managed to survive. Christianity on the other hand is an inclusive religion. It's much easier to convert to it, and the ties between it's members and the religion aren't as strong as in the case of Judaism (where the religion is a huge part of their ethnic identity).

When Christianity became the official religion of the Roman Empire it was no more popular than Scientology is today in the US. It only became popular because the emperor favored it, and people wanted to be in his good graces. Eventually all other religions were deemed illegal. Going back to point 1, Christianity became the "fad" everyone wanted to be part of. And you can't deny that there was pressure to convert (many population converted because their rulers converted), and that the consiquences of not converting were dramatic. And don't get me started on the European colonies, especially the Americas.

If the European states hadn't maintained their power all these centureis, you can be sure that Christianity would've disappeared a long time ago.


1) Actually, I would disagree... most pagan religion's main focus of belief was in fact "My god could beat up your god."   It didn't take much conversion.   You won?  Most of those people adopted your religion.  Judiasm was the first of the "New Religions" whose belief was built more on... well belief.

2)  Judaism is not ethnically tied to anything.  Jewish people are Arabs.  Also, at the time it surivived the Assyrians, the Torah wasn't even completeted!  It's actually events we first learned IN the Torah, and was later historicaly proven.  Which is another point towards the Abrhamic religions by the way.  They appear to be historically accurate.   Few people know this, but the house of Paul... one of Jesus' disciples is something you can visit in Israel.

As for Christianity... well you couldn't be more wrong.   Hell, you brought out my point for me, but actually ignored the salient point of it.   Roman Emperorers converted to Christianity... when it was very unpopular.  (Though it was well more popular then Scientology.)   Christianity conquered and empire that was trying to wipe it out... without using force.

 

If you think it would of been wiped out you should look up the Kakure Kirishitan.

Yes, that is pretty amazing, isn't it :)

As amazing as people copying "the Rachel" from Jennifer Aniston.


Huh? The fact that christianity conquered the empire that tried to destory it and without using violence is pretty amazing. Just shows how strong and awesome our religion is :D