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Should People Take Justice Into Their Own Hands (partocular case)

Yes 48 57.83%
 
No 32 38.55%
 
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Kasz216 said:
sapphi_snake said:
Kasz216 said:


You states "All religions are lies".   This is Illogical because

A) I doubt you could even name all religions let alone know enough about all of them.

B) Even if you did know all religions, it's basically impossible to disprove most religions.

 

By stating "All religions are lies" you assumed the philosphic burden of proof to in fact prove that "all religions are lies."  Which is a much higher burden of proof then he set for himself.  It's such a comically large burden of proof it collapses your entire arguement around yourself.

Oustide that he largely based his premise on Pagan religions being outdated which is proveable based on religious belief surveys... and didn't do it in as flaming a way as you did.

It's the difference  between saying "I think you are misinformed on this issue" "And you are fucking stupid."

 

Now a correct counter would be say... Hinduism.

I have no interest in disproving obvious lies. I could spend my whole life trying to do that and it would be in vain.

And it's wuite ridiculous to say that a religion is "outdated" based on it's popularity. Just because Christians persecuted pagans and forced them to convert hardly says anything about the validity of either Christianity, or pagan religions.


Not being popular is one of the exact definitions of unpopular.

Also, in general... that's EXACTLY how religious belief spread... before Christianity actually.

Since when are "outdated" and "unpopular" synonymous?

And the fatc that Christianity spread just like any other religion just goes to show that there isn't anything special about it, and that the fact that it's popular says nothing about it's validity.



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sapphi_snake said:
Kasz216 said:
sapphi_snake said:
Kasz216 said:


You states "All religions are lies".   This is Illogical because

A) I doubt you could even name all religions let alone know enough about all of them.

B) Even if you did know all religions, it's basically impossible to disprove most religions.

 

By stating "All religions are lies" you assumed the philosphic burden of proof to in fact prove that "all religions are lies."  Which is a much higher burden of proof then he set for himself.  It's such a comically large burden of proof it collapses your entire arguement around yourself.

Oustide that he largely based his premise on Pagan religions being outdated which is proveable based on religious belief surveys... and didn't do it in as flaming a way as you did.

It's the difference  between saying "I think you are misinformed on this issue" "And you are fucking stupid."

 

Now a correct counter would be say... Hinduism.

I have no interest in disproving obvious lies. I could spend my whole life trying to do that and it would be in vain.

And it's wuite ridiculous to say that a religion is "outdated" based on it's popularity. Just because Christians persecuted pagans and forced them to convert hardly says anything about the validity of either Christianity, or pagan religions.


Not being popular is one of the exact definitions of unpopular.

Also, in general... that's EXACTLY how religious belief spread... before Christianity actually.

Since when are "outdated" and "unpopular" synonymous?

And the fatc that Christianity spread just like any other religion just goes to show that there isn't anything special about it, and that the fact that it's popular says nothing about it's validity.

1) Basically, always.

2) Er, that's the thing.  Judisam and Christianity DIDN'T spread like every other religion... note "before".  Previously, religion spread based on strength and died on weakness.  To be defeated meant your religion disapeared.

Judaism did not...when the Kingdoms of Israel and Judiah fell to the Assyrians it's religion survived.

it survived defeat when every other religion at that time was destroyed and left devoid of believers.  It wasn't even put in a "danger" status.

Essentially it survived in a situation where no other religion has surivived, and no other religion has survived since... in an era where such a thing was considered inconceivable.



Kasz216 said:

1) Basically, always.

2) Er, that's the thing.  Judisam and Christianity DIDN'T spread like every other religion... note "before".  Previously, religion spread based on strength and died on weakness.  To be defeated meant your religion disapeared.

Judaism did not...when the Kingdoms of Israel and Judiah fell to the Assyrians it's religion survived.

it survived defeat when every other religion at that time was destroyed and left devoid of believers.  It wasn't even put in a "danger" status.

Essentially it survived in a situation where no other religion has surivived, and no other religion has survived since... in an era where such a thing was considered inconceivable.

1. Outdated = old-fashioned, out-of-date, obsolete

Unpopular = not popular with an individual or group of people; lacking general approaval or acceptance.

Something can be popular, yet outdated (like marriage rituals, gender roles), andsomething can be unpopular, yet up-to-date (like how an edgy dramedy is less likely to become as popular as a traditional sitcom).

"Outdated" and "unpopular" are certainly not synonymous.

source:

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/unpopular

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/outdated

 

2. You may be right about Judaism, but not about Christianity. Christianity did spread with force, and the main reason why it hasn't disappeared is because states where Christianity is the majority are also the strongest (and ironically secularism and religious freedom will probably help it live on in these countries).

As for Judaism, it's uniqueness probably consists of the connection between Judaism, the religion, and the Jewish ethnic identity. You can't be a Jew (the ethnicity) without being a Jew (as in someone who subscribes to Judaism). This is unique to them, and a reason why their religion has lived on. In the case of Judaism you can't even convert to the religion without becoming part of the Jewish people.

However we were talking about Christianity, not Judaism, and I don't know why you bought it up.



"I don't understand how someone could like Tolstoy and Dostoyevsky, but not like Twilight!!!"

"Last book I read was Brokeback Mountain, I just don't have the patience for them unless it's softcore porn."

                                                                               (The Voice of a Generation and Seece)

"If you cant stand the sound of your own voice than dont become a singer !!!!!"

                                                                               (pizzahut451)

sapphi_snake said:
Kasz216 said:

1) Basically, always.

2) Er, that's the thing.  Judisam and Christianity DIDN'T spread like every other religion... note "before".  Previously, religion spread based on strength and died on weakness.  To be defeated meant your religion disapeared.

Judaism did not...when the Kingdoms of Israel and Judiah fell to the Assyrians it's religion survived.

it survived defeat when every other religion at that time was destroyed and left devoid of believers.  It wasn't even put in a "danger" status.

Essentially it survived in a situation where no other religion has surivived, and no other religion has survived since... in an era where such a thing was considered inconceivable.

1. Outdated = old-fashioned, out-of-date, obsolete

Unpopular = not popular with an individual or group of people; lacking general approaval or acceptance.

Something can be popular, yet outdated (like marriage rituals, gender roles), andsomething can be unpopular, yet up-to-date (like how an edgy dramedy is less likely to become as popular as a traditional sitcom).

"Outdated" and "unpopular" are certainly not synonymous.

source:

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/unpopular

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/outdated

 

2. You may be right about Judaism, but not about Christianity. Christianity did spread with force, and the main reason why it hasn't disappeared is because states where Christianity is the majority are also the strongest (and ironically secularism and religious freedom will probably help it live on in these countries).

As for Judaism, it's uniqueness probably consists of the connection between Judaism, the religion, and the Jewish ethnic identity. You can't be a Jew (the ethnicity) without being a Jew (as in someone who subscribes to Judaism). This is unique to them, and a reason why their religion has lived on. For example my ethnicity is Romanian, and will remain that way regardless of my religious beleifs. In the case of judaism you can't even convert to the religion without becoming part of the Jewish people.

However we were talking about Christianity, not Judaism, and I don't know why you bought it up.


1) Er, go back to the link you posted for Outdated.

Note.

"No longer valid or fasionable"

AKA

Outdated = Not Fasionable

Fasionable = Popular

Not Fasionable = Unpopular.

Outdated = Unpopular.

Have you never heard of someones clothes being called outated?

2) Christianity came from Judiasm... and I'm actually not wrong.  Some Christianity spread through force, but not the actual majority of the spreading of the religion.

I mean, do you know what facilitated Christanity to be such a big religion?  It's taking over of an empire that had conquered it.



Also, the actual point was... Pagan religion's validity actually pretty much were based specifically on how many people practiced it, and how strong those people were.

If someone who was stronger then you beat your god.  You either decided he wasn't the real god... or that said god was subserviant to yours.



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axt113 said:
pizzahut451 said:
sapphi_snake said:
pizzahut451 said:
axt113 said:
Disrarge said:

I beleive it's not our place to seek revenge... Just Gods...


How do you know we are not gods?  Perhaps the gods are within us all, in which case we are allowed to seek revenge by your logic


There are no Gods, only God

And even that's not true.

It is....most pagan religions are dead, outdated and wrong. Pagans should abbandon their false and made up Gods and accept the abrahamic God as a true God and savior of mankind, the true creator of universe and the highest power in the exisatnce

The abrahamic god is a myth

More than likely there are no gods, and if there is one, then there is more than one

EIID: Nevermind, i wont bother arguing, i see nothing coming out of that.



sapphi_snake said:
pizzahut451 said:
sapphi_snake said:
pizzahut451 said:
axt113 said:
Disrarge said:

I beleive it's not our place to seek revenge... Just Gods...


How do you know we are not gods?  Perhaps the gods are within us all, in which case we are allowed to seek revenge by your logic


There are no Gods, only God

And even that's not true.

It is....most pagan religions are dead, outdated and wrong. Pagans should abbandon their false and made up Gods and accept the abrahamic God as a true God and savior of mankind, the true creator of universe and the highest power in the exisatnce

All religions are  lies. Your religion is also very outdated and jsut as wrong (and in many cases more wrong) as "pagan" religions. So watch your words Bible thumper!


No, my religion isnt like the others. My religion teaches that NONE of us  are above the power of sin and NONE of us are good enough to be with God. In my religion, the messiah actually DIED FOR US and our sins, which symbolls the forgivness and the chance of human being with God. And my religion is also by far the biggest religion in the world, its not even close to being outdated.



Kasz216 said:
sapphi_snake said:
pizzahut451 said:
sapphi_snake said:
pizzahut451 said:
axt113 said:
Disrarge said:

I beleive it's not our place to seek revenge... Just Gods...


How do you know we are not gods?  Perhaps the gods are within us all, in which case we are allowed to seek revenge by your logic


There are no Gods, only God

And even that's not true.

It is....most pagan religions are dead, outdated and wrong. Pagans should abbandon their false and made up Gods and accept the abrahamic God as a true God and savior of mankind, the true creator of universe and the highest power in the exisatnce

All religions are  lies. Your religion is also very outdated and jsut as wrong (and in many cases more wrong) as "pagan" religions. So watch your words Bible thumper!


See... now he's just baited you into a comment that could theoretically get you banned... and a very illogical comment at that.


I baited him? He quoted me first, its not my fault he hates christianity so much.



Kasz216 said:


1) Er, go back to the link you posted for Outdated.

Note.

"No longer valid or fasionable"

AKA

Outdated = Not Fasionable

Fasionable = Popular

Not Fasionable = Unpopular.

Outdated = Unpopular.

Have you never heard of someones clothes being called outated?

2) Christianity came from Judiasm... and I'm actually not wrong.  Some Christianity spread through force, but not the actual majority of the spreading of the religion.

I mean, do you know what facilitated Christanity to be such a big religion?  It's taking over of an empire that had conquered it.

1. You're both right and wrong. It depends how you use the term "outdated". Words can have several meanings.

In the case of "outdated", it can refer to an objective emasurable quality, or a subjective quality.

For example the fact that the Pentium III processor is outdated compared to the Core i& pricessor is an objective fact that can be determined by comparing their features, capabilities etc. (here we have the objective meaning of "outdated")

Another example: The fact that disco music is considered outdated by today's standard isn't something that can be measured objectively. It's outdated because people no longer like it, its no longer popular, stylish etc. (here we have the subjective meaning of "outdated").

Now, if you mean that a religion's quality of being "outdated" or not depends on people's subjective opinions, then I agree with you. But you surely know that a Bible thumper like pizzahut451 would never devalue his religion by admittign that it's whole validity is dependent on people's whims. He obviously was using the word "outdated" with it's objective meaning, in other words saying that his religion is objectively better than other religions, which I'm sure you can agree is a wrong ideea.

2. Christianity may have come from Judaism, but it doesn't change the fact that they're very different. Judaism is a religion that is strongly tied to a particular ethnicity, and that's why it managed to survive. Christianity on the other hand is an inclusive religion. It's much easier to convert to it, and the ties between it's members and the religion aren't as strong as in the case of Judaism (where the religion is a huge part of their ethnic identity).

When Christianity became the official religion of the Roman Empire it was no more popular than Scientology is today in the US. It only became popular because the emperor favored it, and people wanted to be in his good graces. Eventually all other religions were deemed illegal. Going back to point 1, Christianity became the "fad" everyone wanted to be part of. And you can't deny that there was pressure to convert (many population converted because their rulers converted), and that the consiquences of not converting were dramatic. And don't get me started on the European colonies, especially the Americas.

If the European states hadn't maintained their power all these centureis, you can be sure that Christianity would've disappeared a long time ago.



"I don't understand how someone could like Tolstoy and Dostoyevsky, but not like Twilight!!!"

"Last book I read was Brokeback Mountain, I just don't have the patience for them unless it's softcore porn."

                                                                               (The Voice of a Generation and Seece)

"If you cant stand the sound of your own voice than dont become a singer !!!!!"

                                                                               (pizzahut451)

pizzahut451 said:


No, my religion isnt like the others. My religion teaches that NONE of us  are above the power of sin and NONE of us are good enough to be with God. In my religion, the messiah actually DIED FOR US and our sins, which symbolls the forgivness and the chance of human being with God. And my religion is also by far the biggest religion in the world, its not even close to being outdated.

I don't see anything you said as being proof that your religion is better than any other religion. All those points you mentioned only matter in the context of your own religion, but have no relevance in reality. And your last sentence... well, Twilight is extremely popular also.



"I don't understand how someone could like Tolstoy and Dostoyevsky, but not like Twilight!!!"

"Last book I read was Brokeback Mountain, I just don't have the patience for them unless it's softcore porn."

                                                                               (The Voice of a Generation and Seece)

"If you cant stand the sound of your own voice than dont become a singer !!!!!"

                                                                               (pizzahut451)