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PS3 and Wii battle for Japan 2011 edition

Wii will outsell PS3 by big margin 98 10.35%
 
Wii will slightly outsell PS3 99 10.45%
 
PS3 and Wii will be statistically tied 44 4.65%
 
PS3 will slightly outsell Wii 292 30.83%
 
PS3 will outsell PS3 by big margin 341 36.01%
 
who cares ? 70 7.39%
 
Total:944

tied.

 

PS3 will keep a lead until the holiday then they will end tied.



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jarrod said:
trestres said:

Just wanted to make a few corrections, but feel free to correct me as well xD

On the Wii's schedule:

Buttobi Hero Crash Man is just exclusive in Japan I think, because isn't it the same game as CID the Dummy? That game was released for the Wii, PSP, PS2, Zeebo and PC in the West.
Same for Michael Jackson: The Experience, only exclusive in Japan? Cause in the West it's not.

You are missing:

Winning Eleven 2012 (Konami)
The Monkey King (Starfish)


On the PS3's schedule:

The Sly Cooper HD Collection is PS3 exclusive.
Killzone 3 is PS3 exclusive.
Little Big Planet 2 is PS3 exclusive.

You are missing:

Winning Eleven 2012 (Konami)
Wizardry: Torawareshi Bourei no Machi (Acquire)
Tumble (Sony Computer Entertainment)
Uncharted Waters Online: Tierra Americana (Tecmo-Koei)
Suigetsu 2 (Temple Knights)
Tsuri Tore (Recom)
Winning Post 2012 (Tecmo-Koei)
Powerful Pro Baseball 2012 (Konami)
Pachipara Sea Story SLOT (Irem)
Dungeon Siege 3 (Square-Enix)
Hatsune Miku Dreamy Theater 2nd (Sega)
Silent Hill Downpour (Konami)
MLB 2K11 (Take-Two Interactive Japan)
Top Spin 4 (Take-Two Interactive Japan)
To Heart 2 DX Plus (Aquaplus)
Operation Flashpoint: Red River (Codemasters)
Clannad (Prototype)
Brink (Bethesda Software Japan)
Tears to Tiara 2 (Aquaplus)
Utawarerumono 2 (Aquaplus)
Tomb Raider (Square-Enix)
ICO HD Collection (Sony Computer Entertainment)

Yeah, exclusives were in regards to Japan alone (hence Crash Man and Michael Jackson for Wii).  For example, that's also why Dynasty Warriors 7 was listed on PS3 exclusive, even though there a 360 version outside Japan.

As for the rest of your list...

You are missing: 

Winning Eleven 2012 (Konami) not announced (It's coming we know it)
The Monkey King (Starfish) vaporware, undoubtedly canceled (my bad)


On the PS3's schedule:

The Sly Cooper HD Collection is PS3 exclusive. All content is on PS2. (It's still a remastered version coming retail)
Killzone 3 is PS3 exclusive. My mistake.
Little Big Planet 2 is PS3 exclusive.  Also for NGP. (LBP on the works for NGP, not confirmed to be LBP2)

You are missing:

Winning Eleven 2012 (Konami) not announced (It's coming we know it)
Wizardry: Torawareshi Bourei no Machi (Acquire) PSN only, I listed the retail Wizardry Twin Pack (my bad, thought it was retail too)
Tumble (Sony Computer Entertainment) PSN, though there's also retail release now that I checked
Uncharted Waters Online: Tierra Americana (Tecmo-Koei) not a full game, it's an expansion (It's still a retail game sold separately)
Suigetsu 2 (Temple Knights) PSN (It's not PSN as far as I've found out)
Tsuri Tore (Recom) PSN (my bad)
Winning Post 2012 (Tecmo-Koei) not announced (It's coming we know it)
Powerful Pro Baseball 2012 (Konami) not announced (it's coming we know it)
Pachipara Sea Story SLOT (Irem) canceled (not according to Dengeki)
Dungeon Siege 3 (Square-Enix) not announced for Japan (my bad)
Hatsune Miku Dreamy Theater 2nd (Sega) PSN, not even a full game (my bad)
Silent Hill Downpour (Konami) not announced for Japan (Dengeki has it listed for 2011)
MLB 2K11 (Take-Two Interactive Japan) not announced for Japan (Dengeki has it listed for 2011)
Top Spin 4 (Take-Two Interactive Japan) not announced for Japan (Dengeki has it listed for 2011)
To Heart 2 DX Plus (Aquaplus) I missed it! :x
Operation Flashpoint: Red River (Codemasters) canceled
Clannad (Prototype) vaporware (my bad)
Brink (Bethesda Software Japan) PSN (my bad)
Tears to Tiara 2 (Aquaplus) I missed it! :x
Utawarerumono 2 (Aquaplus) I missed it! :x
Tomb Raider (Square-Enix) not announced for Japan (Dengeki has it listed for 2011)
ICO HD Collection (Sony Computer Entertainment) not coming to Japan, they're being released individually on PSN (my bad)

 

...if it wasn't clear, I was listing retail only.  No PSN, Game Archives, WiiWare or Virtual Console.  If I listed announced VC stuff too, the Wii list would more than double. :/

I did miss the new Aqua Plus PS3 announcements from this week though, and forgot Tumble was also retail in Japan. 

 

edit: Operation Flashpoint Red River is still coming!  For some reason I thought Codemasters Japan had closed down, but it seems they're still going.  :x


Woah, dengeki had some of these listed as if they were retail, so my bad on those. There's some Western games like Top Spin 4 that will be released there considering previous ones were. check my corrections.



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I lost my faith in the Wii, so PS3 by far.



People need to consider that last year PS3 only gained the lead for the year in October. Yes, PS3 was winning throughout most of the summer and fall but the Wii pretty much dominated in the first quarter. This year that's clearly not going to be the case. Not to mention that last year PS3's holiday in Japan was pretty crap-tastic. I don't think the holidays this year will be quite so poor because of the probable price cut in the fall (likely having a moderately boosting effect, but not huge) and FFXIII-2. If DQX comes out this year I think Wii will get a slight victory. If it doesn't than PS3 will probably win by a moderate amount.



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I feel like we've had this thread since 2009 and Nintendo always pulls something out to stay ahead of PS3 in Japan. I'm fully aware that PS3 has more third party support than Wii does in Japan but Final Fantasy is really the only item on the PS3 side with huge potential to drive hardware for PS3 besides a price cut. Ail and others are correct that Wii is trending down in January 2011 vs January 2010 but PS3 is too. For Wii Inazuma Eleven, Last Story, and Rhythm Heaven have at least some capacity to drive hardware a little bit. I've been expecting Wii to drop below 10,000 in 2011, barring a price cut for the first time since launch since Wii got to 11,000-12,000 a couple times in 2010 but that doesn't mean it still can't beat PS3 in 2011. This is definitely the first year where I'd say it could realistically happen, but I think Wii still has three paths to beating PS3 in Japan.

This is my ranking from most likely to least likely path:

1) Equal Price drop for Wii and PS3 favors Wii. Look at the data for the previous cuts: The PS3 price cut / Slim introduction led to PS3 sales of 2.22m between August 30 2009 and August 28 2010 - to date this is the PS3 peak 12-month period in Japan. The Wii price cut (without a slim, and less Yen off) led to Wii sales of 2.15m between Sept 27 2009 and Sept 25 2010. Both figures also included major hw spikes from sw - NSMB Wii and FFXIII in Dec 2009. Given a 2011 price cut for Wii and PS3 of 5,000 Yen each I'd wager the Wii price cut would be more effective as a PS3 price cut of 10,000 Yen (40,000 Yen to 30,000 Yen) with the PS3 Slim model equalled the Wii price cut of 5,000 Yen (25,000 Yen to 20,000 Yen) without a Slim model. Wii at 15,000 Yen beats PS3 at 25,000 Yen substantially I'd wager. I figure we get price cuts in April, July, or September for both systems worldwide. NGP / 3DS make the lost revenue easier to swallow for both Sony and Nintendo since both are coming by March 2012.

2) Core sequels to major titles - NSMB Wii or MH3 for Christmas, along with a buttress of Zelda and casual long-legged titles for Obon (Rhythm Heaven, Mario Party 9, etc).

3) Dragon Quest X launches two years after Dragon Quest IX. I figure this isn't coming before Obon 2011 or after Dec 2012  with 3DS and NGP both capable of Wii / PS3 graphics and likely to sell far better in Japan, this is the best window for DQX in Japan I think. No matter how fast these new portable devices sell, the Wii base is going to be bigger through at least late 2012. DQIX pushed the massive DS base by like 85,000 units week one - the lift would probably be bigger for Wii since it has fewer users. If I ran Square-Enix I'd put this in late September for Wii next to the price drop, and then the new FF in Dec for PS3. That gives you a 3m DQ quarter for Sept and a 2m FF / 1m DQ quarter for Dec.



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So, finally HAL Kirby exists, and a new game to put in the Wii list: Pandora's Tower, spring release.



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Conegamer said:
Raze said:
Conegamer said:
Raze said:

Depends if Zelda comes out this year as planned.

I don't think it's an if anymore, it's a when.

Can they do it before FF13-2 is out, and reap the most sales? If not, I don't think they can pull it off.

As others have said, the key game is DQX, and maybe TLS for Q1. If they come out/do well, then they'll win

I really am not so certain FF13-2 will be so amazing, lots of disappointed FF fans with 13. I remain guarded there. Of course, the last FF game *I* enjoyed was 6 lol

True. I was one of those many who were disappointed by FF13, but it doesn't mean it won't sell well, which I believe was the point of the article

Im just sayin, I think a new Zelda game would outdo  FF13-2, as you had asked about if Zelda can outperform FF13-2 =)



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Raze said:
Conegamer said:
Raze said:
Conegamer said:
Raze said:

Depends if Zelda comes out this year as planned.

I don't think it's an if anymore, it's a when.

Can they do it before FF13-2 is out, and reap the most sales? If not, I don't think they can pull it off.

As others have said, the key game is DQX, and maybe TLS for Q1. If they come out/do well, then they'll win

I really am not so certain FF13-2 will be so amazing, lots of disappointed FF fans with 13. I remain guarded there. Of course, the last FF game *I* enjoyed was 6 lol

True. I was one of those many who were disappointed by FF13, but it doesn't mean it won't sell well, which I believe was the point of the article

Im just sayin, I think a new Zelda game would outdo  FF13-2, as you had asked about if Zelda can outperform FF13-2 =)

Perhaps. But Zelda has been a hard sell in Japan, and we know so little about it...



 

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