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FaRmLaNd said:

Regardless of whether they have a proper issue with Russie or not, I will never condone attacking civilians. Attack military targets, or political targets, that I can understand and even some collateral damage may happen indirectly, but directly attacking civilians is something I certainly can't abide by. You lose all of my sympathy with that.

They would perhaps be better off attacking political targets. The Russian government has not shown much concern for citizens' welfare, but if you get the government officials themselves scared for their welfare, then you'll provoke a response. Maybe not a good response, but certainly one more meaningful



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Well, this settles it: it IS Modern Warfare 2's fault!

I'm usually all for blaming anything and everything on Activision, but it kinda makes me sad that Walid Phares appears to think there's some merit to it. He's a smarter guy than that. I hope they edited the fuck out of his comments.



badgenome said:

Well, this settles it: it IS Modern Warfare 2's fault!

I'm usually all for blaming anything and everything on Activision, but it kinda makes me sad that Walid Phares appears to think there's some merit to it. He's a smarter guy than that. I hope they edited the fuck out of his comments.

Like anyone in the Caucasus Emirate would look to a Western-made product for inspiration, if they even had access to it...



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pizzahut451 said:

Funny, i llok at this whole Chechnya situation and i cant find singe diffrence in comprassion with Kosovo situation. So NATO should probably go on and start bombing Moscow...oh wait !!!! Very sad :(

Yeah its very similar and a double standard for sure.  Its ok though,  tradition and its rich history aside, Serbs are prolly better off without Kosovo. That area is pretty f'd up...just like Chechnya lol



Mr Khan said:
huaxiong90 said:
Badassbab said:

Poor old Iran has already been mentioned twice despite this thread being only about Russia and Chechnya. Amazing what propaganda can do so quicky to the naive.

Man, I agree. And it's so fucking sad.

I'll leave it at that.

Though I will mention I'm no saint when it comes to believing propaganda without doing proper research (3 years ago and before).

I hope we're not referring to me here. I compared Iran favorably to a potentially independent Chechnya and to Taliban-era Afghanistan. Iran is no worse off than anywhere else in the middle east, more stable internally than Yemen or Lebanon, and with a solid social infrastructure. Despite sponsoring terrorism, they themselves are not a terrorist state (they can get a little vindictive with scapegoating, but a great many nations are guilty of that)

No, it wasn't really aimed at you, I was just agreeing mainly with the last sentence, about what propaganda can do to the ill informed.

But before anybody assumes anything: No, I do NOT, in any way, support these kind of attacks.



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I didn't realise Jack Thompson had influence over Russian media...

Why do games always get the blame? Easy target? Pisses me off for real every time.



Mr Khan said:
Lostplanet22 said:

Attacks against Russia sounds reasonable for what Russia did, sadly Chechnya is just an criminal country, their hate against Russia may be justified in the eyes of Western citizens and Chechnyans may be reported as the innocent victims;.... but at the same time Chechnyans are fighting in Afghanistan and are probably the reason why the fatalities of USA, UK, Canadian soldiers are increasing fast....

The independance of Chechnya will lead to an new criminal country like Iran..

Not like Iran, more like Taliban Afghanistan, a country with no law aside from extremist whims, and no infrastructure outside extremist brute force. Iran at least has a civil society and is doing decently enough (outside of mass corruption in the Revolutionary Guard, anyway), but Russia leaving would lead to the dissolution of government there, which is Russian

I guess I should blame me for not explaining what I meant with it..

I meant it would probably lead to an country with an leader that is totally against the Western Values and like Iran would come up with statements as 'Fuck you USA/UK/France etc;;;'  their is a reason why Western Journalists only can drive around in military jeeps because their is an hate against the Western world and his values...and yes it would not end up being a clone of Iran but it would be far that off aswell..



 

Lostplanet22 said:
Mr Khan said:
Lostplanet22 said:

Attacks against Russia sounds reasonable for what Russia did, sadly Chechnya is just an criminal country, their hate against Russia may be justified in the eyes of Western citizens and Chechnyans may be reported as the innocent victims;.... but at the same time Chechnyans are fighting in Afghanistan and are probably the reason why the fatalities of USA, UK, Canadian soldiers are increasing fast....

The independance of Chechnya will lead to an new criminal country like Iran..

Not like Iran, more like Taliban Afghanistan, a country with no law aside from extremist whims, and no infrastructure outside extremist brute force. Iran at least has a civil society and is doing decently enough (outside of mass corruption in the Revolutionary Guard, anyway), but Russia leaving would lead to the dissolution of government there, which is Russian

I guess I should blame me for not explaining what I meant with it..

I meant it would probably lead to an country with an leader that is totally against the Western Values and like Iran would come up with statements as 'Fuck you USA/UK/France etc;;;'  their is a reason why Western Journalists only can drive around in military jeeps because their is an hate against the Western world and his values...and yes it would not end up being a clone of Iran but it would be far that off aswell..

Which is the price you pay.

Hopefully they'd have some sort of demcoratic government, but if not, their independent government is a step in the right direction....

 

and if the majority of their people hate the US, well so be it.   I'd rather have governmetns run by the people who hate us, then governments run by others who like us.

Hamas for example should be recognized as the government of Gaza.  Gaza should also be subject to the disadvantages of having a government of people like Gaza.



Mummelmann said:

I didn't realise Jack Thompson had influence over Russian media...

Why do games always get the blame? Easy target? Pisses me off for real every time.

In a time of crisis, people will reach out to anything they don't understand, that is remotely similar, and try to make a connection with it.  People blaming the games don't really understand them at all.  What happened should be seen more as ironic than anything else.  From the MW2 perspective, No Russian is pretty inane as a plot point, and what follows.  Now, if the end result is that Russia invades the United States, then we can blame MW2 for influencing Russian foreign policy decisions.



huaxiong90 said:
Badassbab said:

Poor old Iran has already been mentioned twice despite this thread being only about Russia and Chechnya. Amazing what propaganda can do so quicky to the naive.

Man, I agree. And it's so fucking sad.

I'll leave it at that.

Though I will mention I'm no saint when it comes to believing propaganda without doing proper research (3 years ago and before).

I'm no fan of the Iranian theocracy, which does have a fairly poor human rights record and bans candidates from standing for election because they deem them not to be Islamic enough. But at least Iran has a semblance of democracy which can't be said about the rest of the states in the area (which our Western Governments shamefully support and prop up). I find the current protests in some parts of the Arab world very encouraging for grass roots democracy. Hopefully they can finally get rid of their dictators and we (as in the West) won't get involved to sabotage it like we have done in the past (case point Iran).