@lordtheknight  i think devs should make what they want for who they want. I think your taking it way to personally, I think they made a mistake with Wii and are trying to rectify that. Even Ninty said that they could have done more with the 3rd party devs, which they are trying with 3DS. like you like to say you have to have to build a fanbase for their to be an audience and the fanbase for some of these genres, after 4 years are gone its way too late in the game to try now, not when the other consoles have so much of the genres that the Wii lacks

The Nintendo Wii does not need a savior. Fact, the system has sold about 84 million according to this site, which is a massive amount of  consoles made and sold and Nintendo made a huge profit off of it. Even if no more Wii systems were made, I would not be surprise if Nintendo came out as the winner of this generation in terms of sales. And while sales are declining, that's because the vast majority of people who wants a Wii already has one, so it's natural to assume that it's going to get to the point where demands for the Wii gets low. If anyone needs a savior, it's Sony themselves, who have struggled a lot to get where they are this generation and to even get the PlayStation 3 to compete in sales with the Xbox 360. Sales-wise, there is nothing to be concerned about for the Wii.

        That being said, I do agree that the Wii absolutely needs more quality games made for the system this year. Late 2006-2010, we have seen what has been a mostly consistent amount of high quality games that anyone can enjoy, which is why the Nintendo Wii is IMO, a very good system. 2011, only four titles that will surely be in North America that is coming out this year I show interest in, which compared to the PS3 line-up this year (Not sure about the Xbox 360, don't follow Xbox 360 news actively) and previous years for the Wii, is just sad. Localization of Japanese-only games is needed this gen if we can even hope for a bearable 2011 year for the console.

        That is why the successor needs to be announced at E3 2011 and released in Holiday, 2012. And considering that the Nintendo Wii is considered the weakest console in terms of hardware, handling of multiplatform games, and online (I think it's decent, but nowhere near as good as PSN or XBL), massive popularity or not, this is a pretty reasonable prediction, not to mention if Nintendo wants to match the success of the Wii, they can't just sit around and see what their competitors announce, they have to be the first out of the gate for the next generation, and then massively improve in all three areas that they tend to be most harshly criticized for this generation.

1. That attitude has led to lost money, because what many have shown that what they want is to overspend on games.

2. No, it's not. Make the games, and people will buy them. They just want it to be too late, because that way they can pretend they are right. Flood the system with ports at first, then make some original games after the fact, and customers will see the games are there and buy them.

Not claiming that will be done. I'm just pointing out it's not too late, as they wanted it to be too late even from the beginning.

Your right the Wii is the champion this generation. It has sold over 80-million units. However as Rol pointed out it sold 3-million fewer units in 2010. You point to market saturation, this is not the case, PS2 and DS have both sold over 140-million units. Fact is that means their are over 60-million unreached users who still haven't bought a Wii. Sales are dropping fast and the Wii definatly needs a saviour to remain dominant for the next year or years until the successor is launched.

Sony needing a savior? I am not a fan of Sony but I must admit their sales are rising year on year. PS3 is selling more software due to the rise in hardware sales. Infact Sony apparently is now profiting on every unit they sell, meaning the PS3 is doing better now then it ever has. Will PS3 have what it takes to survive a few more years? Yes it will, it doesn't need a savior.

You yourself point out the next gen has to start in 2012, I agree the Wii can't survive any longer then that. You point out all the reasons the Wii needs a savior. It is the weakest hardware this gen, its lacking software support. You point out Nintendo can't wait to see what their competitors announce, pointing out that the Wii can't last till the competition makes an announcement.

Here's the facts I agree Nintendo needs new hardware in 2012, but while I think its logical and what Nintendo will do what does this mean. A) Nintendo drops support of old hardware within a year max two, even the big successes like GBC and GBA and SNES were all dropped within years. When Nintendo drops support how will the Wii remain on store shelves like the PS2 did or the origional PlayStation or the Genesis? The Wii will die in 2012 unless by a chance third parties continue making games for it. Which if it is easy to port from 3DS to Wii and vice versa is a possibility. Also their is the possibility that Nintendo will wait for the competition to make its first move (Unviel new hardware) you point out the biggest factor that leads people to this posibility. Nintendo controls the market and even without good hardware sales they are in a position where they can wait another year or two to unviel new hardware. Nintendo usually likes to wait for the competition to make its move so launching first wouldn't fit their profile. Though I agree it makes sense to launch in late 2012 if Nintendo's competitors don't reveal their next gen consoles at E3 this year or next their is a slight possibility Nintendo will wait it out. Slim possibility and I don't count on it, but you pointed out several reasons it is possible. If Nintendo chooses to wait then Wii needs a savior to keep the system fighting a few more years!

So we both agree Wii is in need of a savior soon (By 2012) or it will not continue living?

I'm sure that there are many households that own multiple DSes, but only one Wii

I reckon that there might be more homes/businesses with Wiis in them than DSes

Some of Wii's biggest games have been ones that nobody had any idea about as little as six months before release (e.g. NSMBWii) and/or which haven't come from a previously established series (e.g. Wii Fit).  As such, there's plenty that Nintendo can release - it just might be futile to try to guess what such games are.

(Also disagree that the Wii needs saving - sales fell last year to a point where the Wii still outsold the next best-selling home console by a few million and, in terms of annual sales, ranked very highly in the all-time best for any home console ever.  2011 should see the Wii's price drop to the point at which I believe the PS2 enjoyed its best sales [~£129 / $150], and software will continue to arrive.  I' don't expect the Wii's successor to arrive until 2013 in the west - possibly late 2012 for Japan [depending on when DQX gets released].)

Jokes apart, Wii just needs some other big games to persuade the remaining potential users still in doubt, but fine with the current price. Then it will need a price cut, down to $150 for the basic unit, $170-180 for the bundles less costly to build and $200 for the Balance Board bundle. Finally, in its late years, after Wii2 release, it could still thrive priced at $100, $120-130 and $150 respectively, and maybe it could get then an all inclusive bundle with WS, WSR, NSMBW, MKW and Balance Board at $200-220. These phases could give it another 5-7M plus another 15-25M plus another 10-25M, it will depend also on new games, and, the final phase, on how long Ninty will keep it alive. Anyway, it could sell from 115M to >140M lifetime.

My previous prediction before it started having big drops outside of Xmas season was, IIRC, from 140-150M easily, to 180-200M putting a lot of effort into it and doing almost everything right.

Let's not forget, though, that any console surviving enough to meet the growing purchasing power of emerging countries' middle classes could end up selling lifetime several tens million more than the average predictions. If this gen won't do it, next gen most probably will, but when priced a lot lower than at launch, years later than this gen could, and it would be a big waste and missed opportunity for the industry, so I'm persuaded it's in MS, Sony and Ninty interest to keep alive this gen's consoles long enough after next gen begins, if this very profitable goal appears at reach.

@lordtheknight  i do agree that it is too late, but I dont and will never agree that 3rd parties are like some Legion of Doom where they meet together and plot on how to destroy Wii. Fact. the Wii gets more games than the other consoles, if they really wanted to sabotage it, why make games at all??? If I was a publisher who hated Wii I would not support it in any capacity. Ninty has to share some of the responsibility also. But lets say they did do it on purspose, whatcha gonna do??? are you really not getting what looks to be a great handheld to stick it to the 3rd parties??? You'll be sticking it to Ninty too. I guess it'll be just us two not getting the 3DS anytime soon. (im not getting it for completly different reasons)

1. I never claimed it was that. If it was, the problem would be more uniform. This is about a mass mindset.

2. Public companies don't have that luxury. Shareholders and investors made it clear in 2007. So the best thing companies like EA could do was put out only the second rate games and sabotage any games that might look first rate.

3. What makes you think I'm boycotting the 3DS itself? I'm holding out for a less costly revision, but I'm just boycotting the games of the developers, which I'm doing for all the games they make, no matter the system.

@lordtheknight hey thats all good, at least you'll be saving alot of money and I wouldnt count on that revision anytime soon so I guess you'll be really saving bread.