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Kasz216 on 16 January 2011
megaman79 said:
yo_john117 said:

Its probably because the economy is actually getting pretty decent now.  Not great mind you but its much better then it used to be.


It was much better 12 months ago infact, they just weren't hiring. Theory suggests business wanted the Repubs back in charge, and in favour of rights destroying corporates, so they continued to slow the economic rebound untill after November.

Is this theory from the same people who believe in the Illuminati?



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Kasz216 on 16 January 2011
HappySqurriel said:
Wagram said:

He couldn't possibly be any worse than George Bush.


An odd thing is that one of the best things to happen to George W. Bush's approval rating was the election of Barack Obama ...

I'm (somewhat) joking; but, without the constant bashing and with time to consider the difficult/complexity of his presidency, many people are starting to realize that he was wasn't as bad of a president as some people made him out to be.


If you study the historical rankings of president, you'll notice that the sooner they are from retired, the more sevre their ranking is either good or bad.

For example, George Bush Senior was ranked 31st best President in 1994.  Behind people like Jimmy Carter and Herbert Hoover.

He's since settled in to the 18th-22 range.



adriane23 on 16 January 2011

Good for him, though I'm not that surprised. According to Gallup, he's been in the positive since the last week of December. He's also doing better than Clinton did at the same time in his first term and Clinton didn't have has many problems to deal with.



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toastboy44562 on 16 January 2011
homer said:
toastboy44562 said:
homer said:
toastboy44562 said:
homer said:
toastboy44562 said:

bush made so many mistakes. the BEST that any president can do is to cut losses. mabye in 30 years we'll recover back into the clinton days


What do you have against Bush? What did he do that warrants such dislike towards him? What did Clinton do right? Didn't he cheat on his wife? That doesn't seem very good,

Bush put us in debt. Clinton had us in a surplus. Bush got innocent americans/Iraqians killed in iraq for no reason. Bus allowed so many of quality american jobs go overseas into places like china where they make shitty goods. And who gives a shit if clinton cheated on his wife? doesnt make clinton a bad president. Conservatives just use that on clinton to make him look bad because clinton did such a great job (Yes I know clinton didn't have that many challenges but still, he was great). sorry if it's hard to reed i need to put in contacts

We had debt in Clinton's presidency, didn't we? If I am not mistaken, he added debt to the deficit, just not as much as Bush. So, the president has the ability to declare war, without congress's consent? I did not know that. It was Bush's fault that China managed to get many American jobs? I just thought we could not compete with China considering they can manage to pay their workers less, but I guess I am mistaken, or am I? If he cheated on his wife, I will think a lot less of him. Also, didn't he commit purgury(lying in court if I am not mistaken)? Why did he lie? Also, didn't he leave Somalia in a mess after a quick occupation/invasion? Clinton killed many innocent somalians and americans? Didn't he also give nuclear material to North Korea, or am I mistaken? Does that seem like a wise idea, because it didn't seem to wise to me.



Im sure he added debt in the beginning, but we were on the track to make some serious money. Bush recommended to go to iraq, at the a lot of the congress was his buddies. So he could basically do whatever he wanted within reason. He could have controlled how many jobs went overseas by trying to enforce different tarifs and being more liberal and trying to get other countries to trade with us more. I dont know about the rest personally you could be right.


Overall during his presidency, he did add to the deficit though, or am I mistaken? Clinton took us to Somalia, and left abruptly throwing that country into chaos, if I am not mistaken. Why doesn't Obama do the things you speak of? Then we could stop the loss of more jobs, and perhaps court other former American factories to come back.

i'm not quite sure about the deficit part. And it's not that simple, when clinton got into office mostly all the jobs were in us and we wern't in nearly as much debt



homer on 16 January 2011
toastboy44562 said:
homer said:
toastboy44562 said:
homer said:

We had debt in Clinton's presidency, didn't we? If I am not mistaken, he added debt to the deficit, just not as much as Bush. So, the president has the ability to declare war, without congress's consent? I did not know that. It was Bush's fault that China managed to get many American jobs? I just thought we could not compete with China considering they can manage to pay their workers less, but I guess I am mistaken, or am I? If he cheated on his wife, I will think a lot less of him. Also, didn't he commit purgury(lying in court if I am not mistaken)? Why did he lie? Also, didn't he leave Somalia in a mess after a quick occupation/invasion? Clinton killed many innocent somalians and americans? Didn't he also give nuclear material to North Korea, or am I mistaken? Does that seem like a wise idea, because it didn't seem to wise to me.



Im sure he added debt in the beginning, but we were on the track to make some serious money. Bush recommended to go to iraq, at the a lot of the congress was his buddies. So he could basically do whatever he wanted within reason. He could have controlled how many jobs went overseas by trying to enforce different tarifs and being more liberal and trying to get other countries to trade with us more. I dont know about the rest personally you could be right.


Overall during his presidency, he did add to the deficit though, or am I mistaken? Clinton took us to Somalia, and left abruptly throwing that country into chaos, if I am not mistaken. Why doesn't Obama do the things you speak of? Then we could stop the loss of more jobs, and perhaps court other former American factories to come back.

i'm not quite sure about the deficit part. And it's not that simple, when clinton got into office mostly all the jobs were in us and we wern't in nearly as much debt

Was that Clinton's doing? Did Clinton try to insure that those jobs stayed in the USA? What did Clinton do that made him so good? Was he just president during a good time of American history, making him look like he was better than he truly was?



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megaman79 on 16 January 2011
Kasz216 said:
megaman79 said:
yo_john117 said:

Its probably because the economy is actually getting pretty decent now.  Not great mind you but its much better then it used to be.


It was much better 12 months ago infact, they just weren't hiring. Theory suggests business wanted the Repubs back in charge, and in favour of rights destroying corporates, so they continued to slow the economic rebound untill after November.

Is this theory from the same people who believe in the Illuminati?

No, its from the same people who barely survived an election because the mining industry wanted to turf our government out, and almost did so through a multi-million dollar anti-mining tax campaign.



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toastboy44562 on 16 January 2011
homer said:
toastboy44562 said:
homer said:
toastboy44562 said:
homer said:

We had debt in Clinton's presidency, didn't we? If I am not mistaken, he added debt to the deficit, just not as much as Bush. So, the president has the ability to declare war, without congress's consent? I did not know that. It was Bush's fault that China managed to get many American jobs? I just thought we could not compete with China considering they can manage to pay their workers less, but I guess I am mistaken, or am I? If he cheated on his wife, I will think a lot less of him. Also, didn't he commit purgury(lying in court if I am not mistaken)? Why did he lie? Also, didn't he leave Somalia in a mess after a quick occupation/invasion? Clinton killed many innocent somalians and americans? Didn't he also give nuclear material to North Korea, or am I mistaken? Does that seem like a wise idea, because it didn't seem to wise to me.



Im sure he added debt in the beginning, but we were on the track to make some serious money. Bush recommended to go to iraq, at the a lot of the congress was his buddies. So he could basically do whatever he wanted within reason. He could have controlled how many jobs went overseas by trying to enforce different tarifs and being more liberal and trying to get other countries to trade with us more. I dont know about the rest personally you could be right.


Overall during his presidency, he did add to the deficit though, or am I mistaken? Clinton took us to Somalia, and left abruptly throwing that country into chaos, if I am not mistaken. Why doesn't Obama do the things you speak of? Then we could stop the loss of more jobs, and perhaps court other former American factories to come back.

i'm not quite sure about the deficit part. And it's not that simple, when clinton got into office mostly all the jobs were in us and we wern't in nearly as much debt

Was that Clinton's doing? Did Clinton try to insure that those jobs stayed in the USA? What did Clinton do that made him so good? Was he just president during a good time of American history, making him look like he was better than he truly was?


Im sure part of it was. But the fact that he didn't screw up is what matters.



Armads on 16 January 2011
Kasz216 said:

I'd base it soley on the speech... well and the Clintonian like compromise on taxes.

Unemployment dropped, but for every person who found a job, two people stopped looking.

Not exactly a good unemployment change as if things in the economy and unemployment DO come around eventually those people will enter the unemployment force again. 


Meaning unemployment will either rise again or unemployment rates will crawl when they inch up.   There is a reason EVERYONE in the Fed is trying to brace America for what they've called so far a "Jobless recovery."

To expect him to sail to reelection is a stretch.

I think he'll probably and up like W.

Win reelection by default due to a weak field of opposition.


Well yeah, I mean I guess I should have elaborated that but I agree he's going to win mostly because there's no strong republican in sight.  But we do have two years for that to change, my guess on who will run (and lose) is John Boehner.



homer on 16 January 2011
toastboy44562 said:
homer said:
toastboy44562 said:



Im sure he added debt in the beginning, but we were on the track to make some serious money. Bush recommended to go to iraq, at the a lot of the congress was his buddies. So he could basically do whatever he wanted within reason. He could have controlled how many jobs went overseas by trying to enforce different tarifs and being more liberal and trying to get other countries to trade with us more. I dont know about the rest personally you could be right.


Overall during his presidency, he did add to the deficit though, or am I mistaken? Clinton took us to Somalia, and left abruptly throwing that country into chaos, if I am not mistaken. Why doesn't Obama do the things you speak of? Then we could stop the loss of more jobs, and perhaps court other former American factories to come back.

homer said:
toastboy44562 said:
homer saidin Clinton's presidency, didn't we? If I am not mistaken, he added debt to the deficit, just not as much as Bush. So, the president has the ability to declare war, without congress's consent? I did not know that. It was Bush's fault that China managed to get many American jobs? I just thought we could not compete with China considering they can manage to pay their workers less, but I guess I am mistaken, or am I? If he cheated on his wife, I will think a lot less of him. Also, didn't he commit purgury(lying in court if I am not mistaken)? Why did he lie? Also, didn't he leave Somalia in a mess after a quick occupation/invasion? Clinton killed many innocent somalians and americans? Didn't he also give nuclear material to North Korea, or am I mistaken? Does that seem like a wise idea, because it didn't seem to wise to me.

i'm not quite sure about the deficit part. And it's not that simple, when clinton got into office mostly all the jobs were in us and we wern't in nearly as much debt

Was that Clinton's doing? Did Clinton try to insure that those jobs stayed in the USA? What did Clinton do that made him so good? Was he just president during a good time of American history, making him look like he was better than he truly was?


Im sure part of it was. But the fact that he didn't screw up is what matters.


So, theoretically, if I was the president of the USA, during a golden age, and did absolutely nothing, but the country prospered anyways, would that make me a great? What if I became a president during a depression, but managed to make the USA better? Which president would you consider better? One man changed america for the better, while the other did nothing, but inherited a prosperous nation. The people had a better time under my presidancy,although I did nothing. Neither screwed up, is that what truly matters?



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toastboy44562 on 16 January 2011
homer said:
toastboy44562 said:
homer said:
toastboy44562 said:



Im sure he added debt in the beginning, but we were on the track to make some serious money. Bush recommended to go to iraq, at the a lot of the congress was his buddies. So he could basically do whatever he wanted within reason. He could have controlled how many jobs went overseas by trying to enforce different tarifs and being more liberal and trying to get other countries to trade with us more. I dont know about the rest personally you could be right.

 


Overall during his presidency, he did add to the deficit though, or am I mistaken? Clinton took us to Somalia, and left abruptly throwing that country into chaos, if I am not mistaken. Why doesn't Obama do the things you speak of? Then we could stop the loss of more jobs, and perhaps court other former American factories to come back.

 

 

homer said:
toastboy44562 said:
homer saidin Clinton's presidency, didn't we? If I am not mistaken, he added debt to the deficit, just not as much as Bush. So, the president has the ability to declare war, without congress's consent? I did not know that. It was Bush's fault that China managed to get many American jobs? I just thought we could not compete with China considering they can manage to pay their workers less, but I guess I am mistaken, or am I? If he cheated on his wife, I will think a lot less of him. Also, didn't he commit purgury(lying in court if I am not mistaken)? Why did he lie? Also, didn't he leave Somalia in a mess after a quick occupation/invasion? Clinton killed many innocent somalians and americans? Didn't he also give nuclear material to North Korea, or am I mistaken? Does that seem like a wise idea, because it didn't seem to wise to me.

i'm not quite sure about the deficit part. And it's not that simple, when clinton got into office mostly all the jobs were in us and we wern't in nearly as much debt

 

Was that Clinton's doing? Did Clinton try to insure that those jobs stayed in the USA? What did Clinton do that made him so good? Was he just president during a good time of American history, making him look like he was better than he truly was?

 


Im sure part of it was. But the fact that he didn't screw up is what matters.

 


1.) So, theoretically, if I was the president of the USA, during a golden age, and did absolutely nothing, but the country prospered anyways, would that make me a great?

2.)What if I became a president during a depression, but managed to make the USA better? Which president would you consider better? One man changed america for the better, while the other did nothing, but inherited a prosperous nation. The people had a better time under my presidancy,although I did nothing.

3.)Neither screwed up, is that what truly matters?

 

1.) You would be considered great, that is why many presidents get re-elected

2.) I would consider a president that has changed america for the better during a depression better. For instance if obama expanded many buisnesses in america just as clinton did I would consider obama better. even though the economy was better overall better off during clinton's age.

3.) In the eyes of a lot of people, as long as a president doesn't totally screw up he is a success.