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thismeintiel said:
thranx said:

You do realize with out the individuals in those corporations nothing would happen. Its the people that create and make things, not corporations. The world advanced with out them and can continue to do so if they fail. Its the people that matter. It has everything to do with fair use. Why can I not use the hardware I buy to run programs I make or my friends or other companies make? I payed for it didn't I? I agree with the not pirating, you do not have the right to software unless you buy it or it is given to you. But if you think scientific advancements will stop because mega corporations fail you are wrong. All it takes is one person with time and resources to create something.

Yes, I realize that corporations are made up of individuals.  Do you?  See this is what I don't get when people talk about the "evil" corparations (not that you used that word, but your post gives me the impression you may feel that way).  Those same companies employ millions of people.  They create millions of products to meet the demand of millions of people.  What would happen if they have no protection under law, lose money, and then go under.  The economy and job market suffer greatly.  And the world may have advanced without them, but the world of technology would not be this far without them.  Someone invents something incredible, what does he do with it?  He sells it.  Now, how does he do so?  He creates a shop/small company.  Now if demand for his product rises, what does he do?  Stay small and do the best he can?  Of course not.  He expands.  Creating new shops in new areas, while hiring new people to run said stores.  And while demand is increasing, he keeps expanding.  Maybe pouring money into new products or just upgrading the previous one.  Then before you know it, he has himself a "mega corporation."  Of course, to keep doing well he needs to be protected by law from those who can do him harm, whether intentionally or not.

Again this what I don't get when some demonize corporations.  They need to realise that all started very small, usually as one store.  There was just a great demand for their products/services so they expanded.  That doesn't make them anymore evil than the local mom and pop store down the street.  Because trust me, if they were booming and there was need for them to expand, they would.

Corporations are legally bound to put profit above all else.  This pressure inevitably leads to individuals in those corporations doing things that are against their better judgement.  Why do you think so many corporations break the law or dump toxic substances into the local environment.  Just looks at how many superfund sites there are http://www.epa.gov/superfund/sites/index.htm , including in the town where I live (http://www.colorantshistory.org/Nyanza.html).

Corporations are designed to do one thing, make a profit.  It's up to the government to protect it's citizens when this profit motive conflicts with what is best for the for those citizens.  The problem now is that most of the government is basically corporate "owned", so I have no doubt that eventually Sony will win this, even though there is no legal basis for it.  The fact that the DMCA even exists is evidence enough that the government doesn't give a crap about consumers.



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alekth said:

Makes sense but haven't people had the same problem with assignning some sort of jurisdiction to a state due to some massive website's HQ being there? Especially when it's not even the website's owners suing. Seems a right mess!

Would things be very different for Sony in NJ? Somehow I don't believe Sony is letting go even if the case gets dismissed in CA.

I haven't heard of such cases, but considering how fossilized the bench can occasionally be, I can see some judges analogizing websites to a physical location, and thus applying the "enjoyed the protection of" rules.

As to the difference, I don't know much about New Jersey's law, so I can't say.  I'm tempted to say that they might be less favorable to Sony than our courts, what with the whole IP protectionism we've got going on here, but in reality California isn't as pro-high tech as one might assume, so...probably not.



hmm well go sony