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SAN FRANCISCO — A federal judge here on Friday put off deciding whether PlayStation 3 hacker George Hotz should surrender his computer gear as part of a lawsuit from console-maker Sony.

Sony sued Hotz on Tuesday, alleging Hotz’ posting of the code to crack the PlayStation 3 was a breach of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act’s anti-circumvention provisions. Sony, which is also seeking unspecified monetary damages, also wanted Hotz to remove any code the New Jersey man had uploaded to the internet last week.

U.S. District Judge Susan Illston, without deciding any of the merits of Sony’s DMCA claim and other allegations, said she was unsure whether the lawsuit should even be tried in her courtroom. She wondered aloud whether the case should be aired in the 21-year-old’s home state of New Jersey, where the hacking took place.

“I’m really worried about the jurisdictional question,” the judge said from the bench during a 20-minute hearing.

Sony’s attorney, James Gilliland Jr., argued the case could proceed in San Francisco because Hotz posted the hack on Twitter and YouTube, which are based in California. And Gilliland said Hotz received donations for the hack through PayPal, also based in California — an allegation Hotz’ attorney denied.

But if using Twitter or Facebook is enough to bring a case to San Francisco, “the entire universe would be subject to my jurisdiction,” the judge told the Sony attorney about his argument.

Gilliland countered, arguing that the PlayStation’s terms-of-service agreement demands that legal disputes be settled in federal court here, near where Sony Computer Entertainment America is based.

In the end, Judge Illston said she would rule at an undisclosed time.

“Serious questions have been raised here,” she said.

 

Hotz accessed the so-called “metldr keys” and obtained root access to trick the PS3 into running software not approved by Sony. He published the code a week ago, and was greeted Tuesday with a lawsuit from Sony, which has sold 41 million PS3 units since the console’s 2006 debut. The code allows a user to play pirated and homebrew software on the console, and has spread across the net like wildfire.

In an e-mail, Hotz said the case “doesn’t have any basis.”

“I am a firm believer in digital rights. I would expect a company that prides itself on intellectual property to be well-versed in the provisions of the law, so I am disappointed in Sony’s current action. I have spoken with legal counsel and I feel comfortable that Sony’s action against me doesn’t have any basis,” he wrote.

The DMCA makes it either a civil or criminal offense to traffic in wares meant to circumvent devices protecting copyrighted works.

But hacking or jailbreaking an iPhone so it will run apps not authorized by Apple is neither a civil nor criminal offense. The U.S. Copyright Office made that activity lawful in July.

http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2011/01/playstation-lawsuit-limbo/

So what do you think? Will SONY lose this case?

I think they will. 

Also if anyone is wondering, this is George Hotz defense.

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2375757,00.asp



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It's sad to see Sony are heading for a fall.



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I think Sony has a decent chance. In case you didn't realise, a phone and a console are very different. The mobile companies force you to stick with them even after the contract ended, unless you pay to unlock it. On the PS3, it can only run games sold by Sony, you jailbreak it to play pirated as well as homebrew (hackers' defence). Its very hard to call though, I think it may go either way. 



Nereid said:

I think Sony has a decent chance. In case you didn't realise, a phone and a console are very different. The mobile companies force you to stick with them even after the contract ended, unless you pay to unlock it. On the PS3, it can only run games sold by Sony, you jailbreak it to play pirated as well as homebrew (hackers' defence). Its very hard to call though, I think it may go either way. 


I think that's a fair assessment



Title made me laugh. 

So used to seeing "delay" and "Playstation" in the same sentence. 



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Doesn't really say much at this point since even the ruling on jurisdiction isn't final.

Why didn't they start with the ToS requirement for process in CA anyway, the PayPal/Youtube/Twitter angle seems so absurd.



Nereid said:

I think Sony has a decent chance. In case you didn't realise, a phone and a console are very different. The mobile companies force you to stick with them even after the contract ended, unless you pay to unlock it. On the PS3, it can only run games sold by Sony, you jailbreak it to play pirated as well as homebrew (hackers' defence). Its very hard to call though, I think it may go either way. 


You just described the same situation with a phone a console thus negationg your opwn point.

A phone is hacked to allow you to use programs not allowed by the phone carrier/company

A console is hacked to allow you to use programs not allowed by the console maker

See any difference?

Piracy or the risk of it has no effect here as it is not charged here. You can't say this is wrong because it could in someway be used for piracy, you would have to sue the user who does the actual piracy or hacks the actual games. as long as they are only using homebrew it is an almost identical situation to hacking phones wich this article states is legal in the us.



Nereid said:

I think Sony has a decent chance. In case you didn't realise, a phone and a console are very different. The mobile companies force you to stick with them even after the contract ended, unless you pay to unlock it. On the PS3, it can only run games sold by Sony, you jailbreak it to play pirated as well as homebrew (hackers' defence). Its very hard to call though, I think it may go either way.

I see your point on mobile phones. but the article is talking about the iphone. Even after your contract is up on an iphone you can't pay to unlock it.

The hackers could also claim that they just want to put linux back on the ps3.



Hackers are hackers. Sony is just protecting its baby.



 

        

This ruling will change the face of the entire game industry. Go GeoHotz go! Win this thing!



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