Why do people keep acting like this is true and keep claiming that is based on NPD data?

He flat out tells you that they do not subscribe for NPD peripheral data, which alone makes this nothing more than a Pachter estimate, plus he just recently was shown to be wrong about his "360 outselling PS3 by over 2:1 in Dec NPD" prediction.

Nothing about this is factual guys, it is just another estimate and nothing more and could actually be quite a bit less than 5:1. Maybe 2:1 or 3:1.

Yeah 3:1 seems like a more reasonable assumption. 5:1 sounds much cooler though.

Usually if Pachter says something I am like "Alright, that rules out that scenario".

3:1 is still nothing to complain about, that is still a big difference.

Yeah but 5:1, guarantees that Pratcher gets the media attention and all the spotlight point on him, not the first time he got something wrong so he has no reputation to tarnish :p, yeah that would put the Move userbase at about ~1.65M in US alone, not too shabby either.

Move userbase growth from here on out I could care less about to be honest. I just care about majority of new titles giving me the optional control scheme, and there seems to be a bunch on the way so I am a happy camper for 2011 and hopefully my woman isn't too upset for dropping $100 on the Sports Champions bundle.

Wow that's the price on the bundle? In UK we have the standard move bundle - Demo disk, Move controller and the Camera for £40 so about ~$60. Yeah true, I would say the same about Kinect but I am yet to get it, bar the usual crap I only like Dance Central, £100~$155 £35~$55 for one game? Doesn't justify it :p. I'd say I am a happy camper too but for 2011 there are barely any Kinect titles of interest to me! Pendng more announcements come E3 x)

Yeah it is $99.99 for PSEye, Move and Sports Champions. Not really that bad of a deal but I already had an Eye.

Still, I got it from KMart when it first came out so they gave a $35 in store PS3 game credit with it that got me RE5 : Gold Edition, so $100 for RE5 and SC Move Bundle worked out well, plus I have so far had a shit load of fun with Sports Champions. It really is a good title, just wish it has some Baseball like WiiSports. Good thing MLB The Show 11 is right around the corner. That shit is gonna be bad ass. Hitting was hard enough with the Dualshock, at least with the Move I will enjoy striking out and/or lining out more. LBP 2 also uses it. 

Some say it is better to have games use Move exclusively, but I prefer dual schemes, that way if I don't like the Move controls and/or the Dualshock controls I always have something else to fall back on to save the game from being a complete turd and waste of money.

How is GT bombing when its already sold 5 million? And i wouldn't say Move is bombing it sold quite well, considering it got a whooping 0 games that hasn't been done on the wii and better. Unless you count games that where remade for it (which 99 out of 100 still plays with a pad).

This same question has been raised over at NeoGAF with plenty of responses.

Compared to any normal game, you are right it is a success.

However, if you take into account:

1. Gran Turismo 5 took 6 to 7 years to create

2.  A budget over $60 million

3. Lofty expectations as the latest iteration in one of the top selling video game series (not counting Nintendo games):

Gran Turismo - 10.85 million

Gran Turismo 2 - 9.37 million

Gran Turismo 3 - 14.89 million

Gran Turismo 4 - 10.60 million

Gran Turismo 5 (current subject to change in the future) - 5.06 million

Source: http://www.vgchartz.com/worldtotals.php?name=Gran Turismo &publisher=&console=&genre=&minSales=0&results=50&sort=Total

Under these 3 criteria, Gran Turismo 5 can questionably be called out for underperforming. This being said, selling 2.5 million copies per month in your first 2 months out on the market standalone (not bundled) is excellent. However, this is a Gran Turismo game we are talking about, not Alan Wake or some new IP with a lack of history to live up to.

I firmly believe Gran Turismo 5 will sell around 9.5 million making it the 3rd best selling Gran Turismo game when all is said and done. As for bundled vs. standalone numbers, we are getting into theorycrafting and fuzzy math here. Standalone basically means the consumer wants the game. A bundled buy is a "compelled" purchase to use a term from a commentator on NeoGAF.

Well Pachter is always wrong, if he is indeed qouting NPD then he may finally be right about something. Either way 8-million is nothing to snuff at. PSMove has no doubt been outsold by large margins but notice that Kinect did not push 360 hardware as hard as it could have.According to VGChartz despite the massive support for Kinect 360 sales have not made any massive gains, they are barely outselling Wii and the Wii is very old technology.

I suspect the majority of Kinect purchasers already own 360's and the ones buying Kinect bundles already intended to buy 360's thus giving it barely any boost at all.

When 360 sales shoot higher then 300K a week or at least gain 50-70K on Wii weekly then I'll consider Kinect a success. If Kinect isn't growing the 360 user base then it is not a success like Wii was or DS or NES or PSOne.