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MaxwellGT2000 on 16 January 2011
KylieDog said:
MaxwellGT2000 said:
KylieDog said:

No, the actual Code Veronica, not Gun Survivor 2.


That is the only Code Veronica in arcade form, you were misinformed if you think otherwise, and still doesn't validate your point.


I'm misinformed on something I've seen and played with my own eyes and hands?   Yeah...


Obviously, since you have yet to show any proof otherwise and I can dig up pictures and quotes that dispute your claim, so yes you are misinformed.



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SaviorX on 16 January 2011
MaxwellGT2000 said:
KylieDog said:
MaxwellGT2000 said:
KylieDog said:

No, the actual Code Veronica, not Gun Survivor 2.


That is the only Code Veronica in arcade form, you were misinformed if you think otherwise, and still doesn't validate your point.


I'm misinformed on something I've seen and played with my own eyes and hands?   Yeah...


Obviously, since you have yet to show any proof otherwise and I can dig up pictures and quotes that dispute your claim, so yes you are misinformed.

LOL The pictures just make it embarrassing



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jarrod on 16 January 2011
flagstaad said:

Ok, I am going to say it and run from here as fast as possible.

This means that KINGDOM HEARTS 3 COULD BE A WII EXCLUSIVE?

It has all the the things it needs to success and the cheaper development cost.


Well, it'd certainly sell best on Wii versus PS3 or 360.  That doesn't mean it'll happen though...



MaxwellGT2000 on 16 January 2011
RolStoppable said:
KylieDog said:

You have done no such thing, you keep posting images of Gun Survivor 2 and are now claiming this as some kind of evidence that Code Veronica was never in arcades?

 

They are two different games...do you not understand this?

All you have to do is posting a picture of a Code Veronica arcade cabinet. That will shut him up.


Exactly but I actually looked into it and even the Code Veronica wiki page only references Gun Survivor 2 as the arcade version... 



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huaxiong90 on 16 January 2011
RolStoppable said:
MaxwellGT2000 said:
RolStoppable said:

All you have to do is posting a picture of a Code Veronica arcade cabinet. That will shut him up.

Exactly but I actually looked into it and even the Code Veronica wiki page only references Gun Survivor 2 as the arcade version... 

Now, now. That doesn't really give more credibility to your claim, because you are known to have edited wikipedia pages in the past.



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goforgold on 16 January 2011
gergroy said:
goforgold said:
RolStoppable said:
goforgold said:

OHH OHHH I ARE HAZ A THERORIEZ!!! "again I can't believe no one thought of this"

well there's your problem my friend,  maybe developers weren't thinking about making and SD version of thier game, but rather a ....ummm....por-ta-ble one...maybe. Developers say, now that we have the definitive home console version of our game, lets make a protable one.

No developer says lets make a standard def version of thier game, becasue that will always be a down grade and no developer wants a downgrade, which is why most 3rd parties don't make games for wii.........and ps3/360. Either it's wii only or HD only for obvious reasons with obvious exceptions.

make sense to me lol

You'll need a link to a credible source for everything you just said, otherwise I have no other choice than to believe that you are just making stuff up.

lmao ok ok I'll bite,

the wii is as powerfull and can do everything the ps3 and 360 can do, developers don't want a verion of their game in both the handheld and home console market, they just want a high quality and low quality version, and don't make wii versions because they are evil and just wantz it to failzzzz. Your right that does make more sense

because logic is not acceptable around here????

*insert smiley face jpeg*

yeah, because developers only care about the quality of their products.  In no circumstances do they care about how much it costs to make games or how much profit they can make.  That would certainly never come into consideration...

edit: or how much better they could make their game with lower costs of development... no, 3rd parties would never think of that...

uhhh.......yeah lmao,

see this is why I don't get you guys, is all you guys care about is sales???

unfortunatley for Nintendo, developers care more for the quality and experience they get out of thier game more than how much it would cost to make. Not saying they don't think about cost at all though.

 



gergroy on 16 January 2011
goforgold said:
gergroy said:
goforgold said:
RolStoppable said:
goforgold said:

OHH OHHH I ARE HAZ A THERORIEZ!!! "again I can't believe no one thought of this"

well there's your problem my friend,  maybe developers weren't thinking about making and SD version of thier game, but rather a ....ummm....por-ta-ble one...maybe. Developers say, now that we have the definitive home console version of our game, lets make a protable one.

No developer says lets make a standard def version of thier game, becasue that will always be a down grade and no developer wants a downgrade, which is why most 3rd parties don't make games for wii.........and ps3/360. Either it's wii only or HD only for obvious reasons with obvious exceptions.

make sense to me lol

You'll need a link to a credible source for everything you just said, otherwise I have no other choice than to believe that you are just making stuff up.

lmao ok ok I'll bite,

the wii is as powerfull and can do everything the ps3 and 360 can do, developers don't want a verion of their game in both the handheld and home console market, they just want a high quality and low quality version, and don't make wii versions because they are evil and just wantz it to failzzzz. Your right that does make more sense

because logic is not acceptable around here????

*insert smiley face jpeg*

yeah, because developers only care about the quality of their products.  In no circumstances do they care about how much it costs to make games or how much profit they can make.  That would certainly never come into consideration...

edit: or how much better they could make their game with lower costs of development... no, 3rd parties would never think of that...

uhhh.......yeah lmao,

see this is why I don't get you guys, is all you guys care about is sales???

unfortunatley for Nintendo, developers care more for the quality and experience they get out of thier game more than how much it would cost to make. Not saying they don't think about cost at all though.

 

cool, you just contradicted yourself there, just so you know.

Also, yes, developers care A LOT  more about making money then making a quality product.  They usually go hand in hand, but being on the wii doesn't mean they can't make a quality product.  In fact, it would be a lot easier for developers to make a quality product on the wii since development costs are quite a bit less.

For example, how many glitches do you hear about with wii games?



MaxwellGT2000 on 16 January 2011
RolStoppable said:
KylieDog said:

Is nothing like that.  I was highlighting the fact that something being at an arcade does not an arcade playstyle make.  Know where I see Mario Kart style of play more than anywhere else?  Party games, if they have a racing mini-game it is like Mario Kart Wii with less features.  That is what Mario Kart is, a fully feature party game based on racing.

 

Besides Mario Kart like SSBB sells through Nintendo brand and Mario.  Look at similar titles, hell look at TMNT Smash Up that was even made by SSBB devs and is just a TMNT themed version pretty much and where are the sales for it?   Using these games as examples of what sells on Wii is if anything a reason for third parties to not bring titles over, because they don't have Nintendo or Mario.  Capcom wanting big Nintendo support for MHT was probably no coincidence but Nintendo cannot do that for every game.

You still couldn't show that Code Veronica was an official release in arcades, so you actually aren't proving any point. Another major problem is that the Mario Kart series predates the advent of party games, so you have it backwards. Mario Kart isn't a party game based on racing, rather party games are based on the idea to transfer Mario Kart like fun to things other than racing. This however still doesn't make Mario Kart a party game, because the characteristic of that genre is the incorporation of many different genres all at once in the form of basic minigames (action, puzzle, shooting, racing etc.).

I would say TMNT Smash Up sold accordingly to its quality. It has less game modes and much less characters and about half of those aren't even related to the TMNT universe. When you consider that Dead Space sold nowhere close to Resident Evil 5 on either HD console and it was closer in quality to RE5 than TMNT SU was to SSBB, then it's obvious that there isn't any special Nintendo or Wii problem at work here.


Yeah not to mention TMNT smash up doesn't even play the same... there are no special moves, health bars instead of knock offs, cheaper deaths due to the stage, there's light and heavy combos, and like 5 items total which aren't weldable but rather limited use.

Also the whole Code Veronica thing just seems to be detracting from the original argument which was Mario Kart isn't an arcade racer, which is actually not even on topic to begin with, but still there's no such thing as a racing party game, the genre doesn't exist.  Hell back when Mario Kart started there was no such thing as a racing sim there was just racing... So yeah... Mario Kart predates not only party games but the time before racing genres were split into arcade and sim sub-genres. 

What have we gathered from all this?  Apparently arcade units that people custom make count as official arcade games now and somehow prove a point that a game without arcade like gameplay counts as an arcade game if some modder made it?  Mario Kart predates anything Kyliedog even tries to come up with to shoot it down... and somehow we can't even talk about Epic Mickey



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Antabus on 17 January 2011
MaxwellGT2000 said:

 Hell back when Mario Kart started there was no such thing as a racing sim there was just racing... So yeah... Mario Kart predates not only party games but the time before racing genres were split into arcade and sim sub-genres. 

Yes they were split, the word which was used to Mario Kart just wasn't the same as you use.



jarrod on 17 January 2011

Mario Kart's a pure arcade racer, end of story.  It does place an emphasis on weaponry and combat, but that in itself doesn't make it a "party game", just as it doesn't for Blur, Wipeout, Road Rash or any other combat/weapons based racer.  Just as the emphasis on co-op and utter lack of real horror doesn't make RE5 a "party game".  Anyone trying to redefine Mario Kart as anything but chiefly a racing game at it's core pretty clearly hasn't spent much time with either Mario Kart or racing games in general (or they're just trolling as usual).  The whole point and structure of the game is rooted in racing and those mechanics, and even the combat component is ultimately just a means to support that... you "win" when you "win" the race, quite literally that makes it a racing game.  

Honestly, vehicle based arena games like Twisted Metal or Vigilante 8 are probably more along the lines of "party game" than Mario Kart is.  Unless someone has only ever played the battle mode subgame (which has sucked hard post-MK64 anyway) I can't even fathom how anyone who's ever touched Mario Kart could think it's not about winning the race.  Perhaps those claiming "party game" cut put forward some actual reasoning as to that for a change?