SamuelRSmith said:
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Um economic reasons are the reason for national pride. It is because you want to help your countries products to make your country better.
SamuelRSmith said:
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Um economic reasons are the reason for national pride. It is because you want to help your countries products to make your country better.
| Joelcool7 said:
That was my point of patriotical pride Also yes I have patriotical pride in my countries stores. Sure Zellers is not the cheapest and is not Walmart. But it is at least was Canadian. I like knowing that Canada is different then America. Once Target takes over Zellers we will have most of the big American companies here in Canada and very few of our own. In Australia we have the government looking over stops like that, hence why Billabong, Rip Curl and Quiksilver will never be foreign owned. Same could be said with BHP Billiton as well i suppose. The government would jump in, it is also the reason why News Corp (fox) is US based now, Australia wouldnt let News Corp expand in Australia, US lets them in America, big mistake by Aussie politicians imo. So there is negatives and positives I like visiting the states to shop at Target and other American stores like K-Mart. But that does not mean I want to see them all up here. I guess many Canadians don't seem to care that all our companies are being gobbled up but I certainly do. Canada is Canada it isn't Northern United States. For me its an identity crisis, what seperates Canada's market from America's? If every Canadian retailer is owned by American companies and all our money goes to American corporations whats left thats truly Canadian? |
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Yep its the reason I want to see wallmart just to see it, but as for in australia, would destroy aussie companies. Not good. Doing the thing that Australian Politicians made the rule in aus for. US companies are too powerful, and mix that with Australians proximity to Japan and China, Wallmart would be all powerful in Australia.
Joelcool7 said:
Also yes I have patriotical pride in my countries stores. Sure Zellers is not the cheapest and is not Walmart. But it is at least was Canadian. I like knowing that Canada is different then America. Once Target takes over Zellers we will have most of the big American companies here in Canada and very few of our own. I like visiting the states to shop at Target and other American stores like K-Mart. But that does not mean I want to see them all up here. I guess many Canadians don't seem to care that all our companies are being gobbled up but I certainly do. Canada is Canada it isn't Northern United States. For me its an identity crisis, what seperates Canada's market from America's? If every Canadian retailer is owned by American companies and all our money goes to American corporations whats left thats truly Canadian? |
As someone mentioned earlier, HBC is already American, and since Zellers was part of HBC, you are several years too late. Also, I remember K-Mart being here at some point a long time ago, but it died LOL... it's not always a success for American companies to come here. Anyways, I don't see why Canadian identity has to be defined by where we shop. We are more than that.
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spiffiness said:
As someone mentioned earlier, HBC is already American, and since Zellers was part of HBC, you are several years too late. Also, I remember K-Mart being here at some point a long time ago, but it died LOL... it's not always a success for American companies to come here. Anyways, I don't see why Canadian identity has to be defined by where we shop. We are more than that.
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This.
This thread is essentially the combination of juvenile patronism coupled with consumerism.
spiffiness said:
As someone mentioned earlier, HBC is already American, and since Zellers was part of HBC, you are several years too late. Also, I remember K-Mart being here at some point a long time ago, but it died LOL... it's not always a success for American companies to come here. Anyways, I don't see why Canadian identity has to be defined by where we shop. We are more than that.
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This is partially right. However when Jerry Zucker made the bid to buy HBC he also got Canadian citizenship and kept the HBC headquarters in Canada. So while he was an American and his company is American they kept HBC at least somewhat Canadian, the owner had Canadian citizenship and he money was spent here in Canada employing Canadians.
Zellers and HBC also sell alot of Canadian products. I remember when Zucker took over many people were afraid that he would cease the contracts with Canadian companies but he didn't. Zellers and HBC are two of the only stores that actually sell a ton of Canadian products.
But Target is another thing. Its headquarters are not in Canada. The funds it makes will be spent in America not Canada. It will also further drive Canadian buisnesses out of buisness like Walmart is already doing. Yes K-Mart was in Canada but they couldn't compete with Zellers and Walmart. They ended up going under and leaving Canada. But not before they drove Eatens out of buisness.
In the end your right Canada is not determined by where we shop. But where we shop does make our economy. It means Canadian jobs, Canadian money. Also yes our identity is partially determined by what buisnesses we have, whats left to differentiate our countries retail market when every store in Canada is American?
-JC7
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Joelcool7 said:
This is partially right. However when Jerry Zucker made the bid to buy HBC he also got Canadian citizenship and kept the HBC headquarters in Canada. So while he was an American and his company is American they kept HBC at least somewhat Canadian, the owner had Canadian citizenship and he money was spent here in Canada employing Canadians. Well, I guess that's something. Zellers and HBC also sell alot of Canadian products. I remember when Zucker took over many people were afraid that he would cease the contracts with Canadian companies but he didn't. Zellers and HBC are two of the only stores that actually sell a ton of Canadian products. But Target is another thing. Its headquarters are not in Canada. The funds it makes will be spent in America not Canada. It will also further drive Canadian buisnesses out of buisness like Walmart is already doing. Yes K-Mart was in Canada but they couldn't compete with Zellers and Walmart. They ended up going under and leaving Canada. But not before they drove Eatens out of buisness. Target is still employing Canadians, just not in the head office. They will probably still have a distribution centre and maybe even a Canadian headquarters. And I don't think K-Mart drove Eatons out of business. K-Mart was done long before Eatons was. According to wiki, Eatons went down because of poor business management and stiffer competition from The Bay, Sears, Zellers, and eventually Walmart. In the end your right Canada is not determined by where we shop. But where we shop does make our economy. It means Canadian jobs, Canadian money. Also yes our identity is partially determined by what buisnesses we have, whats left to differentiate our countries retail market when every store in Canada is American? I think you place too great an emphasis on domestic retail. Canada's economy is largely based on foreign trade because our own market is relatively small, and 79% of our exports are to the US. (http://www.tradingeconomics.com/Economics/GDP-Growth.aspx?symbol=CAD ) One could argue that it's more important for the US to do well in order for Canadian businesses to do well. And I still have to disagree with you about our identity being related to our businesses. When someone is asked what makes them Canadian or proud to be Canadian, I think very few would say, "I shop at The Bay." I don't think Canadians in general are so preoccupied with consumerism.
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| disolitude said: Zellers sucks. I've never seen a Target store, but i pretty sure its going to be an improvement for Canadians. |
Target is pretty good. It is nothing like Wal-Mart, and has much higher quality for its products, and is considered more fashionable, despite having affordable prices.
Oh, and you will never find a 'People of Target' website with pictures of nasty rednecks. Target is known for attracting a far more....Attractive...Clientelle.
And enough with the retailer nationalism. The best store in the world is German - Aldis. Just because the HQ is in a different country doesn't mean it will hurt your nation. If the retailer is expanding, it means they are using smart business practices, and are less likely to go bankrupt, which will lead to more job security for those working there. Target is also known (far better than Walmart) for paying its employees better, too. I'd imagine that Target will endeavor to keep their Canadian line of products, as it'd likely be a point of contention for Canadians if they did not. Who knows, maybe they'll bring Canadian products to America, thus benefiting your manufacturing more?
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mrstickball said:
I'd imagine that Target will endeavor to keep their Canadian line of products, as it'd likely be a point of contention for Canadians if they did not. Who knows, maybe they'll bring Canadian products to America, thus benefiting your manufacturing more? |
Now that would be cool if Target sold all the Canadian products Zellers does. But according to statements Target doesn't want people to think of them as a new Zellers they want to be completely unique. So much so that they aren't hanging on to the Zellers staff their starting from scratch.
It seems that many retailers these days in Canada don't sell Canadian products. All our vegetables and fruit say "California" on the package and stickers. The clothes and electronics say from China. At least in Zellers their was products that were made in Canada.
Now if Target started selling Canada made products in all its stores I would be very happy. But for some reason I think they would rather go with the cheaper Chinese and American products.
-JC7
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It amuses me to see people put a kind of backwards national pride over lower prices and higher quality.
If you want to support your country, support those companies that aggressively try to compete, not those that are driven out of the market by incompetent management and sales tactics.

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