Edit. NVM

But why aren't you using DVI? It's a cleaner signal.

Every time I get a VGA dongle in a box or see a VGA port on a display I'll never use, I can't help but think "this could have been another HDMI or DVI port instead."

They don't even have VGA ports on video cards these days.

Im using DVI...I was just being difficult and was picking at his statement :)

Well that's just the thing, there are always new graphical innovations that require more and more juice and have framerate sacrificed for them. For many devs (with few and precious exceptions), there is never a "good enough" in terms of eye candy.

I think we've hit that point. I want 60fps, no questions asked.

lol why the huge fascination with 60fps? I'm perfectly happy with 30 if the game can actually hold it there.

But then again I don't really care about "native 1080p" either. I still spend 50% of my time playing non-hd games anyway.

I play action games! I can accept 30-60fps if it is locked at a single framerate. Stuttery framerates are a considerable turnoff.

Absolutely this. One hundred percent.

I remember reading articles about 360 a few years ago and how it maxed out at 720p or something. Or did that change with newer models?

I do care about native 1080p. No matter how much AA you throw at a 720p picture, a 1920x1080 picture will always look better on a 1920x1080 panel with dot by dot precision.

It didn't used to matter as much when we were still using CRT's, but lcd panels just look better at their native resolution. If you play on a plasma tv then chances are the resolution is 1366x768, even though the tv supports 1080p it will be downscaled. Then a 720p game with AA will look better then a 1080p game without. The same ofcourse for an lcd/plasma tv with 1280x720 native resolution.

On a 1920x1080 screen over 52 inches, yes 1080p matters. The pixeljunk series looks amazing, same for Wipeout HD. The extra vertical resolution does a lot too for GT5. Going back to NFS shift after GT5 you quickly realize that it's a lot harder to judge speed and corners.

The current hardware can't do it all at once, NFS hot pursuit visuals in 1920x1080 60fps with no tearing, maybe next gen.

Anyway I just got to see the extended ending movie in GT5 after finishing the extreme series, on a 92inch 1920x1080 screen. We still have a long way to go before you can call anything in motion photo realistic. Here's a link to a 720p version (with crappy compression unfortunately). It pales in comparison to watching it in blu-ray quality but you get the idea, I'm ready for next gen.

The ending starts at 26 minutes in the video, first person drive of Nordschleife.

Developers will always try and push console hardware as far as they can with each generation of games throughout the consoles lifespan (5-10 years of the same aging tech) so sometimes it means sacrificing resolution, frame rate and AA. It wil be no different next gen.

Oh and before anyone mentions it GT5  isn't native full HD but 1080p with vertical upscaling to 1920. Wipeout HD has dynamic vertical up/down scaling of the resolution depending on the complexity of the scene. Both look sumptuous.

See this is my problem, I have 3ports Vga, Dvi and HDMI on my monitor, the annoying bit, is hdmi does correct my screen, though becasue of my graph card dvi does sound as well so im sweet in that factor either way haha