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What is the best new Sony ip created this gen?

Motorstorm 1 0.44%
 
Infamous 11 4.85%
 
Uncharted 162 71.37%
 
Resistance 7 3.08%
 
LittleBigPlanet 36 15.86%
 
other(specify) 10 4.41%
 
Total:227
CGI-Quality said:
mantlepiecek said:
CGI-Quality said:

I have nothing against including 3rd party IPs with 1st party IPs, just re-word the meaning. If it read - "what new IPs has Sony been involved with or put out", that would make more sense. But an IP not created by Sony shouldn't be credited to them as the creators, just because they slapped their name on it and called it their property.

Also, Bungie is the creator of the Halo IP, so no matter how many times MS asks another dev to make a new Halo title, the IP wasn't created by them. This goes for Resistance as well. Even if Naughty Dog were to take over, they didn't create the IP (which snuggles in with my point).


So, in the case of LBP, who made it? Sony or Media molecule?

Media Molecule.

They pitched their original idea called "Craftworld" to Phil Harrison (the then head of SCE WW Studios), which Sony then went on to help fund the project (much like HEAVY RAIN). Only difference is, David Cage didn't want to give away the IP, which is why HR isn't Sony's property.

And media molecule is first party. How do you know Naughty Dog didn't think of Uncharted and then decided to use Sony's money to make it? Of course they would have no other solution but even then logically its always the developer who makes an IP, not a publisher. Sony has never made an IP before, never will because they are the publishers, unlike Valve who are publishers and developers themselves.

Sony isn't represented by a single developing studio, hence they never made an IP. How can one call Killzone as made by Sony when its made by guerilla games? Guerilla games could have easily bought themselves out and made the IP, but they choose to do it with Sony instead. Sony does nothing when an IP is considered other than funding a project.

Besides infamous right now wouldn't be the infamous we have because of Naughty Dog helping Sucker Punch. Sucker punch and insomniac have helped naughty dog as well.



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CGI-Quality said:
mantlepiecek said:

And media molecule is first party. How do you know Naughty Dog didn't think of Uncharted and then decided to use Sony's money to make it? Of course they would have no other solution but even then logically its always the developer who makes an IP, not a publisher. Sony has never made an IP before, never will because they are the publishers, unlike Valve who are publishers and developers themselves.

Sony isn't represented by a single developing studio, hence they never made an IP. How can one call Killzone as made by Sony when its made by guerilla games? Guerilla games could have easily bought themselves out and made the IP, but they choose to do it with Sony instead. Sony does nothing when an IP is considered other than funding a project.

Besides infamous right now wouldn't be the infamous we have because of Naughty Dog helping Sucker Punch. Sucker punch and insomniac have helped naughty dog as well.

You still don't understand. Media Molecule is 1st party NOW, but they weren't when they created LBP. Media Molecule is the sole creator of the IP, even if Sony funded the project and went with the idea. They didn't do the legwork, nor did they own the company. Naughty Dog is in a different situation entirely, as they were a branch of SCE when Uncharted was created, meaning they are a part of Sony.

Your bit about Guerrilla Games makes no sense. How would they buy themselves out? Besides, Sony isn't the creator of Killzone either. Guerrilla wasn't a part of SCE when Killzone was created.

And regardless of Naughty Dog's help with inFAMOUS, they didn't CREATE the IP, Sucker Punch did, who aren't a branch of SCE.

What is the best new Sony IP created this gen?

That's the question. OP doesn't ask What's the best IP created by Sony?

 




Wagram said:

I knows it isn't a new IP. Though I think Killzone deserves a notable mention due to their vast turnaround in quality.

I actually preferred Killzone 1's campaign over Killzone 2. It was just the AI and shooting mechanics that were horribly flawed.



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CGI-Quality said:
mantlepiecek said:

What is the best new Sony IP created this gen?

That's the question. OP doesn't ask What's the best IP created by Sony?

 


They actually mean the same thing, because there's one key word in both phrases: created.

The best new IP Sony created this gen is arguably Uncharted - not LBP, not inFAMOUS, and not Resistance (even though they all are Sony's properties).

Heavenly Sword (perfect example) is Sony's IP. Who created it - Ninja Theory. Funnily enough, it was originally pitched to Microsoft for Xbox.

Uhm.. no, in my opinion these questions aren't the same

for my understanding the first ones conditions are, that Sony has to own the IP ("Sony IP" - an IP Sony owns) and that the IP must be created this gen (it's not specified by whom), while the second ones conditions are that the IP has to be created by Sony and this gen



Locco Roco and Patapon for me.  Since no one appreciates portable around here LBP followed very closely by Uncharted.  



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 People are being way to pedantic here and derailing the thread nit picking over what is effectively the English language.

 The role of a publisher isn't just giving studio x a load of money and saying 'create something'. It's a relationship between publisher and developer to work together to create the product, the publisher has alot of input in the creation of the IP more on the business side of things - making it a marketable product that will sell, making decisions that will control the budget and developement schedule whereas say, Insomniac will focus more on the individual level creation.

 It's not true to say Sony created these IP's on their own but it's also not true to say they had a substantial role in the creation of these IP's and thus any debate is futile.

AND if we do want to start dissecting the English language - the thread title says best new Sony IP created - that is the best Sony IP - an IP that belongs to Sony (NOT an IP created by Sony) thus InFamous, Resistance and the rest are valid answers for that question and they are Sony IP's that have been created.



nitekrawler1285 said:

Locco Roco and Patapon for me.  Since no one appreciates portable around here LBP followed very closely by Uncharted.  

Were those created this gen?



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huaxiong90 said:
nitekrawler1285 said:

Locco Roco and Patapon for me.  Since no one appreciates portable around here LBP followed very closely by Uncharted.  

Were those created this gen?


Yes.  PSP and DS started this generation. Just like the 3DS and PSP2 will be the first consoles of this coming generation.  No one will see it that way or care as portables aren't nearly as deeply ingrained outside of Japan.  Hell the Wii is just a home based DS with worse third party software. The PS3 shares the same graphical user interface as the PSP as well boasting many multimedia features like it's portable brother.  



nitekrawler1285 said:
huaxiong90 said:
nitekrawler1285 said:

Locco Roco and Patapon for me.  Since no one appreciates portable around here LBP followed very closely by Uncharted.  

Were those created this gen?


Yes.  PSP and DS started this generation. Just like the 3DS and PSP2 will be the first consoles of this coming generation.  No one will see it that way or care as portables aren't nearly as deeply ingrained outside of Japan.  Hell the Wii is just a home based DS with worse third party software. The PS3 shares the same graphical user interface as the PSP as well boasting many multimedia features like it's portable brother.  

Well, don't think they're that under-appreciated, I played and loved them both.



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Uncharted for me. Resistance gets quite a lot of undeserved flak and I think the third game is going to be very special. Infamous as an IP could give Uncharted a run for its money depedning on how Infamous 2 turns out. Demon's Souls is fantastic too; Uncharted is best with these 3 close behind.