At least my pun made sense... but do you realize how strange your statement is? Where is Forza outselling GT5? Those people are laughed at for a simple reason, without bundles Forza3 would have been forgotten long ago.

21	Gran Turismo 5 (PS3) Sony Computer Entertainment	8	28,798	1,498,619
31	Forza Motorsport 3 (X360) Microsoft	64	22,104	2,688,497

Last week, see this, bundle vs no bundle, 1yr old vs few weeks old, pretty no matter how you turn this it ends up being a stupid comparison. And if you meant "outselling" by comparing their LT sales, then something's missing somewhere... Dude just admit that you lost by miles on this one and leave this game (and threads related) alone.

And btw, 3 years ago Forza 2 just came out so no one was talking about Forza 3 vs GT5 yet... and no one expected GT5 to kick mothers' ass in NA, don't make things up okay.

4k1x3r said: ElGranCabeza said: Incredible, this guy pretty much calls me shit and doesn't get banned, let's see if the same will happen if I do the same thing:   Hey 4k1assho...x3r, if anyone said 3 years ago that Forza would comfortably outsell GT5 in Americas they'd be laughed at and ridiculed, so this is indeed a big and fun comparison, no matter how you spin it. At least my pun made sense... but do you realize how strange your statement is? Where is Forza outselling GT5? Those people are laughed at for a simple reason, without bundles Forza3 would have been forgotten long ago. 21 Gran Turismo 5 (PS3) Sony Computer Entertainment 8 28,798 1,498,619 31 Forza Motorsport 3 (X360) Microsoft 64 22,104 2,688,497 Last week, see this, bundle vs no bundle, 1yr old vs few weeks old, no matter how you turn this it ends up being a stupid comparison. And if you meant "outselling" by comparing their LT sales, then something's missing somewhere... Dude just admit that you lost by miles on this one and leave this game (and threads related) alone.

he even has a new target :S not sure why he keeps coming back to this, frankly it's getting boring now

Naughty, naughty GT5, see what you did? Haters' stomachs must be aching again!   

Fell Better my friend... on Nurburgring after 4h of training i finished for the first time something like 15s~30s off the bronze time... Monza is a little easier...

But it's really painfull in DS3 so i'm planning to buy a G27 for it.

@ElGranCabeza: so just the NA matters i see this a lot of times... and how where the 8 first weeks of FM3 in USA again? for your easiness i'll put the simple graph vg give us with 10 weeks...

Because of course the smart thing to do is compare LTD with 8 weeks sales and the one that sells more is the winner... the same way FM4 failed because GT5 LTD is infinity folds greater (or there are some pre-orders already?? maybe i should reduce to 1000 folders greater?)... don't make yourself a laughing stock.

FM3... first 10 weeks NA: 886k WW: 1,9 M LTD NA: 2,7M WW: 4,6M (just for the lols you like 1st week NA: 224k, WW:470k)

GT5... first week NA: 587k WW: 2,3M 8 weeks NA:1,5M WW: 5,3M

And don't even considering Europe is Sony greatest market.

Another point is i don't the impossibility of GT5 selling another 1,2M or so in NA in LTD... i would guess by 2012 GT5 will pass FM3 in NA also.

... about bundling, MS is right, if your game doesn't sell anymore and you have a sequel coming, bundle it so you can enhance your penetration in the market and broaden the sales in the next iteration. Sony will probably do it when GT6 is less than 6 months to right the market (as did with GT3 before GT4 launch)... it's common sense...

MS and Sony don't measure e-penis they fight for profit and take the measures they think is more logical to achieve that (even tought sometimes we think they screwed really hard)... they are not fan they are bussiness man.

ElGranCabeza said: 4k1x3r said: M.U.G.E.N said: ElGranCabeza said: This is a fun comparison. Americas LTD GT5 - 1,498,619 Forza 3 - 2,688,497 Americas Last week GT5 - 28,798 (8th week) Forza 3 - 22,104 (64th week)   :D that really was a LOT of fun :D please extend the joy to a WW LT comparison as well, especially considering GT5 has been out for just over a month and Forza 3 is getting bundled like crazy or fun comparison of your GT5 predictions and reality so much fun you would not believe LOL He's pitiful, eventhough he fell below the ground he's still digging. Forza 3 is bundled like hell (because Microsoft know that it won't sell if it isn't heh). His lifetime prediction and how convinced he was about it wasn't enough for him to STFU. But that's how one can see GT5 is a good game, alot of haters and haters that won't abandon because they've been proven wrong so they try to still find something.   Hey ElGranShi...Cabeza, GT5's and Forza's 8th weeks can't be compared because Forza came out 5 weeks before GT5 (aligned) so it was still in holiday season (explains why it was over 100k :) ) but.. wanna know the 8th first Forza's weeks in NA? No? Okay, I'll give them to you no matter what, 757,983 copies. And wanna know what Forza 3 sold in NA/WW in its 2nd week of its 1st January? No, okay I'll give it too: 29 Forza Motorsport 3 (X360) Microsoft 13 37,987 2,125,628 WW (Lol right?) 36 Forza Motorsport 3 (X360) Microsoft 12 16,922 926,179 NA (Lol too right?) Wanna know 360's and PS3's userbase in their second week of January? No? too bad. X360 75,392 (-18%) 21,478,779 And PS3 75,393 (-23%) 18,382,506 Very lolable, don't you agree? (by the way, X360 had a year lead on PS3, when we align their sales, there's not such a big difference, hmm) And now I predict someone (Nsanity? Seece? Kowenicki? AussieGecko?) to come here and tell me how comparing the two is not possible because GT is bigger franchise bla bla bla, but isn't this the land of Microsoft this gen? By the way, check Forza's sales, and see how without the bundle, it'll still be at ~3.3M. This guy should really be banned from everything Sony related, it's really annoying. At least other "haters" have some valid arguments... Incredible, this guy pretty much calls me shit and doesn't get banned, let's see if the same will happen if I do the same thing:   Hey 4k1assho...x3r, if anyone said 3 years ago that Forza would comfortably outsell GT5 in Americas they'd be laughed at and ridiculed, so this is indeed a big and fun comparison, no matter how you spin it.

Since you like boldness... i'll be bold... GT5 will sell more in EMEAA than FM3 WW when all is said and done...

because 300M 3DS LTD is really as bold as one could get.

week one? XD

I just noticed another quirk about that particular subcategory of GT5 haters that pretend to be reasonable and make up apparently sound but actually flawed reasonings to bash it and justify very low sales predictions: they used to scold harshly GT5 for being late and further delayed, but then, all of a sudden, they are damn sure GT6 will be released very early and on time for killing GT5 sales and prevent them from keeping on growing in the long term. As spotting this was quite easy, almost casual, a big, well deserved LOL @ those former soviet propaganda instructors now earning their bread and butter teaching FUD, they must have been quite lazy, lately.