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Farmageddon on 02 January 2011
sapphi_snake said:
Kasz216 said:

So in otherwords... your plan is to get rid of your army and hope for the best?  Doesn't sound logical quite honestly.  Remidns me of Sci-Fi Boys form of Star Trek Communism ignorign the fact that we don't have the technology that makes Star Trek Communism work but insisting that said technology will eventually exist.   Which you know, does jack for the here and now.

It's all good to be against all weapons and food dispensers and magicial food dispensers and immortality potions.  None of that really helps with the present.  It's funny though, because I just watched "The Day the Earth Stood Still" yesterday.  The original.

 

It's a funny and terrifying movie, partially because the big reveal seemed to be the advocacy of space facism.

I never said I'd like the army to dissappear (yet), I said that in an ideal situation there shouldn't be an army (in my country or in any country). Armed conflicts aren't really in people's best interest (for several reasons), and if people could realise that  the army could dissappear as in institution everywhere in the world.

He, if you hate the army for that, you should also hate things like, say, the Sun :P

Idk, can't speak for your country but in my experience even in Brazil it seems that people who never go to the army think it's terrifying while people that actually went have generally positive things to say. Then again even though the service is compulsory not everyone serves (most people go to the reserve and get no real training or anything) and when drafting there's an interview at the end and they tend to choose poeple who actually want to go in.



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sapphi_snake on 02 January 2011
Farmageddon said:

He, if you hate the army for that, you should also hate things like, say, the Sun :P

Idk, can't speak for your country but in my experience even in Brazil it seems that people who never go to the army think it's terrifying while people that actually went have generally positive things to say. Then again even though the service is compulsory not everyone serves (most people go to the reserve and get no real training or anything) and when drafting there's an interview at the end and they tend to choose poeple who actually want to go in.

We need the Sun to survive. The army pretty much does the opposite.



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greenmedic88 on 02 January 2011
Kasz216 said:

So... what's the big problem with a National ID card?

I imagine some would have concerns over it being used as a tracking and monitoring system for a government's citizens.

IDs like driver's licenses and passports are essentially the same thing, but more or less optional. I'm not sure where the differences from a social security card would lie, other than SS numbers being issued for tax and benefit purposes rather than for activity monitoring.



greenmedic88 on 02 January 2011
Kasz216 said:
sapphi_snake said:
HappySqurriel said:

It sounds to me like you have an irrational dislike of the military based on uninformed opinions from biased sources ...

What I'm talking about isn't significantly different from how the Canadian Reserves operate (providing vocational training and funding for college); and (having known dozens of reservists in University) I have only ever heard overwhelmingly positive things said about military training.

The only legitimate, informed, argument against manditory military training is the poin of why it is the responsiblity of the military to train citizens; and this is the primary reason I'm (personally) agaisnt it. But this completely unsupported belief that people are somehow worse off from military training is bullshit.

I don't want to be forced to undergo any military training, and I don't think that anyone should be forced to undergo such training. You're right about it not being the military's role to train people, this is another reason why I disagree with mandatory military service.

And you probably don't know the nature of mlitary service in Romania, but no education was offered to the people drafted, just combat training. I also find the nature of such training, which includes forced physical exercises, forced labour, humiliation, hazing (it happens quite often in the military) to be degrading and dehumanising (not to mention the desensitization to things like physical and psychological violence and murder).

Ultimately I'm against the military as an institution, and no one can force me to be associated with it (if the conscription hadn't been eliminated over here I would've probably either emigrated or gone to jail).

Againt the military as an instiution?  Seriously?  How do you plan to... not be invaded without a military?

You tell invading armies that you don't believe in war.

"We don't use that word in this country, so I'm sorry; you'll just have to get back in your planes and tanks and go back where you came from."



sapphi_snake on 02 January 2011
greenmedic88 said:
Kasz216 said:
sapphi_snake said:
HappySqurriel said:

It sounds to me like you have an irrational dislike of the military based on uninformed opinions from biased sources ...

What I'm talking about isn't significantly different from how the Canadian Reserves operate (providing vocational training and funding for college); and (having known dozens of reservists in University) I have only ever heard overwhelmingly positive things said about military training.

The only legitimate, informed, argument against manditory military training is the poin of why it is the responsiblity of the military to train citizens; and this is the primary reason I'm (personally) agaisnt it. But this completely unsupported belief that people are somehow worse off from military training is bullshit.

I don't want to be forced to undergo any military training, and I don't think that anyone should be forced to undergo such training. You're right about it not being the military's role to train people, this is another reason why I disagree with mandatory military service.

And you probably don't know the nature of mlitary service in Romania, but no education was offered to the people drafted, just combat training. I also find the nature of such training, which includes forced physical exercises, forced labour, humiliation, hazing (it happens quite often in the military) to be degrading and dehumanising (not to mention the desensitization to things like physical and psychological violence and murder).

Ultimately I'm against the military as an institution, and no one can force me to be associated with it (if the conscription hadn't been eliminated over here I would've probably either emigrated or gone to jail).

Againt the military as an instiution?  Seriously?  How do you plan to... not be invaded without a military?

You tell invading armies that you don't believe in war.

"We don't use that word in this country, so I'm sorry; you'll just have to get back in your planes and tanks and go back where you came from."

Well it would obviously work if people all around the world realised we don't need armies. Then that situation wouldn't happen.



"I don't understand how someone could like Tolstoy and Dostoyevsky, but not like Twilight!!!"

"Last book I read was Brokeback Mountain, I just don't have the patience for them unless it's softcore porn."

                                                                               (The Voice of a Generation and Seece)

"If you cant stand the sound of your own voice than dont become a singer !!!!!"

                                                                               (pizzahut451)

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Farmageddon on 02 January 2011
sapphi_snake said:
Farmageddon said:

He, if you hate the army for that, you should also hate things like, say, the Sun :P

Idk, can't speak for your country but in my experience even in Brazil it seems that people who never go to the army think it's terrifying while people that actually went have generally positive things to say. Then again even though the service is compulsory not everyone serves (most people go to the reserve and get no real training or anything) and when drafting there's an interview at the end and they tend to choose poeple who actually want to go in.

We need the Sun to survive. The army pretty much does the opposite.

In this less-than-ideal world, we (as separate countries) do need armys.

And the Sun does cause destruction too. It's also less than ideal.



greenmedic88 on 02 January 2011
sapphi_snake said:
greenmedic88 said:
Kasz216 said:
sapphi_snake said:
HappySqurriel said:

It sounds to me like you have an irrational dislike of the military based on uninformed opinions from biased sources ...

What I'm talking about isn't significantly different from how the Canadian Reserves operate (providing vocational training and funding for college); and (having known dozens of reservists in University) I have only ever heard overwhelmingly positive things said about military training.

The only legitimate, informed, argument against manditory military training is the poin of why it is the responsiblity of the military to train citizens; and this is the primary reason I'm (personally) agaisnt it. But this completely unsupported belief that people are somehow worse off from military training is bullshit.

I don't want to be forced to undergo any military training, and I don't think that anyone should be forced to undergo such training. You're right about it not being the military's role to train people, this is another reason why I disagree with mandatory military service.

And you probably don't know the nature of mlitary service in Romania, but no education was offered to the people drafted, just combat training. I also find the nature of such training, which includes forced physical exercises, forced labour, humiliation, hazing (it happens quite often in the military) to be degrading and dehumanising (not to mention the desensitization to things like physical and psychological violence and murder).

Ultimately I'm against the military as an institution, and no one can force me to be associated with it (if the conscription hadn't been eliminated over here I would've probably either emigrated or gone to jail).

Againt the military as an instiution?  Seriously?  How do you plan to... not be invaded without a military?

You tell invading armies that you don't believe in war.

"We don't use that word in this country, so I'm sorry; you'll just have to get back in your planes and tanks and go back where you came from."

Well it would obviously work if people all around the world realised we don't need armies. Then that situation wouldn't happen.

I don't know if you're incredibly naive or just carrying an argument for the sake of having one.

The day all nations of the world have no military forces would be the day those who abstained from the abolition of armed forces would have carte blanche to take whatever resources they wanted and occupy any territory they saw fit.



UncleScrooge on 02 January 2011
sapphi_snake said:
greenmedic88 said:
Kasz216 said:
sapphi_snake said:

I don't want to be forced to undergo any military training, and I don't think that anyone should be forced to undergo such training. You're right about it not being the military's role to train people, this is another reason why I disagree with mandatory military service.

And you probably don't know the nature of mlitary service in Romania, but no education was offered to the people drafted, just combat training. I also find the nature of such training, which includes forced physical exercises, forced labour, humiliation, hazing (it happens quite often in the military) to be degrading and dehumanising (not to mention the desensitization to things like physical and psychological violence and murder).

Ultimately I'm against the military as an institution, and no one can force me to be associated with it (if the conscription hadn't been eliminated over here I would've probably either emigrated or gone to jail).

Againt the military as an instiution?  Seriously?  How do you plan to... not be invaded without a military?

You tell invading armies that you don't believe in war.

"We don't use that word in this country, so I'm sorry; you'll just have to get back in your planes and tanks and go back where you came from."

Well it would obviously work if people all around the world realised we don't need armies. Then that situation wouldn't happen.


Yeah, it's more of an utopia thing though. I'm afraid other powers wouldn't really care about your intentions - it would ultimately weaken a country's position even without an invasion.

Reducing the size of our military would be an option, though. I've been a supporter of an EU military for years. We could reduce the number of soldiers by 50% or so while still maintaining an efficient military in that case. As with many things in Europe, it's mostly a matter of organization. An EU military could be way more efficient and cheaper and each country could decide if it wants to join or not. Oh and it would make NATO a bit more balanced.

OT: This quiz is slightly...biased, huh?



sapphi_snake on 02 January 2011
Farmageddon said:
sapphi_snake said:
Farmageddon said:

He, if you hate the army for that, you should also hate things like, say, the Sun :P

Idk, can't speak for your country but in my experience even in Brazil it seems that people who never go to the army think it's terrifying while people that actually went have generally positive things to say. Then again even though the service is compulsory not everyone serves (most people go to the reserve and get no real training or anything) and when drafting there's an interview at the end and they tend to choose poeple who actually want to go in.

We need the Sun to survive. The army pretty much does the opposite.

In this less-than-ideal world, we (as separate countries) do need armys.

And the Sun does cause destruction too. It's also less than ideal.

Well hopefully one day there will no longer be seperate countries.



"I don't understand how someone could like Tolstoy and Dostoyevsky, but not like Twilight!!!"

"Last book I read was Brokeback Mountain, I just don't have the patience for them unless it's softcore porn."

                                                                               (The Voice of a Generation and Seece)

"If you cant stand the sound of your own voice than dont become a singer !!!!!"

                                                                               (pizzahut451)

sapphi_snake on 02 January 2011
greenmedic88 said:
sapphi_snake said:
greenmedic88 said:
Kasz216 said:
sapphi_snake said:
HappySqurriel said:

It sounds to me like you have an irrational dislike of the military based on uninformed opinions from biased sources ...

What I'm talking about isn't significantly different from how the Canadian Reserves operate (providing vocational training and funding for college); and (having known dozens of reservists in University) I have only ever heard overwhelmingly positive things said about military training.

The only legitimate, informed, argument against manditory military training is the poin of why it is the responsiblity of the military to train citizens; and this is the primary reason I'm (personally) agaisnt it. But this completely unsupported belief that people are somehow worse off from military training is bullshit.

I don't want to be forced to undergo any military training, and I don't think that anyone should be forced to undergo such training. You're right about it not being the military's role to train people, this is another reason why I disagree with mandatory military service.

And you probably don't know the nature of mlitary service in Romania, but no education was offered to the people drafted, just combat training. I also find the nature of such training, which includes forced physical exercises, forced labour, humiliation, hazing (it happens quite often in the military) to be degrading and dehumanising (not to mention the desensitization to things like physical and psychological violence and murder).

Ultimately I'm against the military as an institution, and no one can force me to be associated with it (if the conscription hadn't been eliminated over here I would've probably either emigrated or gone to jail).

Againt the military as an instiution?  Seriously?  How do you plan to... not be invaded without a military?

You tell invading armies that you don't believe in war.

"We don't use that word in this country, so I'm sorry; you'll just have to get back in your planes and tanks and go back where you came from."

Well it would obviously work if people all around the world realised we don't need armies. Then that situation wouldn't happen.

I don't know if you're incredibly naive or just carrying an argument for the sake of having one.

The day all nations of the world have no military forces would be the day those who abstained from the abolition of armed forces would have carte blanche to take whatever resources they wanted and occupy any territory they saw fit.

There would still be law enforcement, which I beleive keeps whet you say from happening even today.



"I don't understand how someone could like Tolstoy and Dostoyevsky, but not like Twilight!!!"

"Last book I read was Brokeback Mountain, I just don't have the patience for them unless it's softcore porn."

                                                                               (The Voice of a Generation and Seece)

"If you cant stand the sound of your own voice than dont become a singer !!!!!"

                                                                               (pizzahut451)