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sapphi_snake said:

@pizzahut451:

Oh, oh but in Africa they send women and children to war and look how well they managed to defend themselfes against European colonists. if they had less women and children in their army, maybe they wouldnt be forced to salvery.

Do you enjoy purposely lying? Old African tribes didn't send kids to war, that is going on in Africa now. Also, most of them did not have female warriors, only some tribes were like that. And European colonists had guns, and African tribes didn't, ergo they had no way of winning, same as the indians (who also had male warriors).

The reason why some tribes had female warriors was that that was how gender roles had evolved over there: women were the heads of the household and did all the work, while men stayed at home and took care of the children. Women were the strong assertive ones, while men were the weak ones who needed to be protected etc. Those things aren't dictated by natire, they're indoctrinated culturally since people are born.

Oh, and the famale warriors could kick the male European colonist's asses, but those cowards decided to use guns, as they were tired of getting beaten up by girls.

So? it has happend multiple times in history that the weaker equpied and small numberd army defeated the bigger and stronger one. It wasnt impossible for them to win, they just didnt use their head and got defeated by much more advanced europeans and their superior war strategy. And correct me if I am wrong, but weren't bows and arrows  much more usefull than the guns people had in that time ? Seeing as how much faster they were and easier to carry and it didnt took 30 seconds to reload a bow and fire 1 arrow from it again like it did wiht the guns and rifles

The men in bolded sentences you described dont deserve to be called men at all. And those stuff ARE dictated by nature. Just look at the animals, its almost always the female that takes care of its babies, while the fatther is the wild finding food.



Kasz216 said:

About "male superior strength".


What percentage of people in the army do you think are stronger then her...

 

Averages are just that... averages.   Just because your group on average is stronger then another doesn't mean there are a lot of people stronger then you in the other group.

 

Also that's what boot camp is for.  If you pass bootcamp you are fit for combat.


Saying women shouldn't be in the army because men are stronger is like saying that men shouldn't go to college because women are more likely to graduate by 22.

 

Also, the majority of weapons used in antiquity actually weren't that heavy.  Even in europe there were times woman fought and often as well as men.  Usually in nomadic tribes like the Goths and Huns and such, and you pretty much needed to as nomads you were often running into soldiers.

Keep in mind, most people in armies had nothing but simple weapons and were lucky to have padded cloth armour.


So should i post a picture of high profile male body builder that can rip that ''woman'' in the picture in shreds ?

Nah, you have the ability to argue for over months about 1 argument, so i'll just cut it here and save us some time.



pizzahut451 said:
sapphi_snake said:

@pizzahut451:

Oh, oh but in Africa they send women and children to war and look how well they managed to defend themselfes against European colonists. if they had less women and children in their army, maybe they wouldnt be forced to salvery.

Do you enjoy purposely lying? Old African tribes didn't send kids to war, that is going on in Africa now. Also, most of them did not have female warriors, only some tribes were like that. And European colonists had guns, and African tribes didn't, ergo they had no way of winning, same as the indians (who also had male warriors).

The reason why some tribes had female warriors was that that was how gender roles had evolved over there: women were the heads of the household and did all the work, while men stayed at home and took care of the children. Women were the strong assertive ones, while men were the weak ones who needed to be protected etc. Those things aren't dictated by natire, they're indoctrinated culturally since people are born.

Oh, and the famale warriors could kick the male European colonist's asses, but those cowards decided to use guns, as they were tired of getting beaten up by girls.

So? it has happend multiple times in history that the weaker equpied and small numberd army defeated the bigger and stronger one. It wasnt impossible for them to win, they just didnt use their head and got defeated by much more advanced europeans and their superior war strategy. And correct me if I am wrong, but weren't bows and arrows  much more usefull than the guns people had in that time ? Seeing as how much faster they were and easier to carry and it didnt took 30 seconds to reload a bow and fire 1 arrow from it again like it did wiht the guns and rifles

The men in bolded sentences you described dont deserve to be called men at all. And those stuff ARE dictated by nature. Just look at the animals, its almost always the female that takes care of its babies, while the fatther is the wild finding food.

No, it was impossible for them to win. The gun is mightier than the bow (and I'm prettu sure they just had spears).  Stop making ridiculous stuff up. There's no real strategy you can use against and army of people who have guns, while you yourself have none (unless the people using guns are mentally challenged or something).

The men in the bolded sentence deserve to be called cowards because they used guns against opponents who had none, and immoral for deciding to steal their land and resources. The fact that they lost to warriors more skilled than themselves isn't amplified by the fact that those worriors were women (this does however show you're a misogynist).

And that stuff IS NOT DICTATED by nature, it's culturally determined. All societies create cultural myths in order to naturalise their practices, hence why you believe all these gender stereotypes to be "natural". As for tthe animal examples, well animals on some level have "cultures" too, and they learn from immitation (there are also lots of examples of males being the ones who raise the child etc.).



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pizzahut451 said:
Kasz216 said:

About "male superior strength".


What percentage of people in the army do you think are stronger then her...

 

Averages are just that... averages.   Just because your group on average is stronger then another doesn't mean there are a lot of people stronger then you in the other group.

 

Also that's what boot camp is for.  If you pass bootcamp you are fit for combat.


Saying women shouldn't be in the army because men are stronger is like saying that men shouldn't go to college because women are more likely to graduate by 22.

 

Also, the majority of weapons used in antiquity actually weren't that heavy.  Even in europe there were times woman fought and often as well as men.  Usually in nomadic tribes like the Goths and Huns and such, and you pretty much needed to as nomads you were often running into soldiers.

Keep in mind, most people in armies had nothing but simple weapons and were lucky to have padded cloth armour.


So should i post a picture of high profile male body builder that can rip that ''woman'' in the picture in shreds ?

Nah, you have the ability to argue for over months about 1 argument, so i'll just cut it here and save us some time.

You're just upset because he's actually right. He said that just because men are overall stronger than women (mainely because women don't put any effort in getting physically strong), doesn't mean that there aren't women (like the one in that picture) who are much stronger than the averege male.  Overall that woman is stronger than the overhwelming majority of men, and women can probably get even more buff than her. I'm pretty sure that she is  be a better "warriror" than you and pretty much every guy on this site.



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pizzahut451 said:
Kasz216 said:

About "male superior strength".


What percentage of people in the army do you think are stronger then her...

 

Averages are just that... averages.   Just because your group on average is stronger then another doesn't mean there are a lot of people stronger then you in the other group.

 

Also that's what boot camp is for.  If you pass bootcamp you are fit for combat.


Saying women shouldn't be in the army because men are stronger is like saying that men shouldn't go to college because women are more likely to graduate by 22.

 

Also, the majority of weapons used in antiquity actually weren't that heavy.  Even in europe there were times woman fought and often as well as men.  Usually in nomadic tribes like the Goths and Huns and such, and you pretty much needed to as nomads you were often running into soldiers.

Keep in mind, most people in armies had nothing but simple weapons and were lucky to have padded cloth armour.


So should i post a picture of high profile male body builder that can rip that ''woman'' in the picture in shreds ?

Nah, you have the ability to argue for over months about 1 argument, so i'll just cut it here and save us some time.

Such a picture would be irrelevent.

Said woman is stronger then the average man, and to take it one step further, actually stronger then the average soldier.

If women can be equal too or stronger then the average soldier, logic only dictates they should be allowed to be soldiers.  That is what bootcamp is for afterall.  Anyone who isn't fit to be in the military, men or women, gay or straight will be expelled or put in a non-combat role.



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sapphi_snake said:
pizzahut451 said:
sapphi_snake said:

@pizzahut451:

Oh, oh but in Africa they send women and children to war and look how well they managed to defend themselfes against European colonists. if they had less women and children in their army, maybe they wouldnt be forced to salvery.

Do you enjoy purposely lying? Old African tribes didn't send kids to war, that is going on in Africa now. Also, most of them did not have female warriors, only some tribes were like that. And European colonists had guns, and African tribes didn't, ergo they had no way of winning, same as the indians (who also had male warriors).

The reason why some tribes had female warriors was that that was how gender roles had evolved over there: women were the heads of the household and did all the work, while men stayed at home and took care of the children. Women were the strong assertive ones, while men were the weak ones who needed to be protected etc. Those things aren't dictated by natire, they're indoctrinated culturally since people are born.

Oh, and the famale warriors could kick the male European colonist's asses, but those cowards decided to use guns, as they were tired of getting beaten up by girls.

So? it has happend multiple times in history that the weaker equpied and small numberd army defeated the bigger and stronger one. It wasnt impossible for them to win, they just didnt use their head and got defeated by much more advanced europeans and their superior war strategy. And correct me if I am wrong, but weren't bows and arrows  much more usefull than the guns people had in that time ? Seeing as how much faster they were and easier to carry and it didnt took 30 seconds to reload a bow and fire 1 arrow from it again like it did wiht the guns and rifles

The men in bolded sentences you described dont deserve to be called men at all. And those stuff ARE dictated by nature. Just look at the animals, its almost always the female that takes care of its babies, while the fatther is the wild finding food.

No, it was impossible for them to win. The gun is mightier than the bow (and I'm prettu sure they just had spears).  Stop making ridiculous stuff up. There's no real strategy you can use against and army of people who have guns, while you yourself have none (unless the people using guns are mentally challenged or something).

The men in the bolded sentence deserve to be called cowards because they used guns against opponents who had none, and immoral for deciding to steal their land and resources. The fact that they lost to warriors more skilled than themselves isn't amplified by the fact that those worriors were women (this does however show you're a misogynist).

And that stuff IS NOT DICTATED by nature, it's culturally determined. All societies create cultural myths in order to naturalise their practices, hence why you believe all these gender stereotypes to be "natural". As for tthe animal examples, well animals on some level have "cultures" too, and they learn from immitation (there are also lots of examples of males being the ones who raise the child etc.).


So? A bow and gun are both fatal, only arrow stabs you in heart and a bullet goes trough you. Just because a weapon is more powerfull doesnt mean its more usefull.In 30 seconds, you can probably kill at least 6-9 people with bow and arrow and with a gun only 1-3 people. Bows and arrows WERE much more usefull than guns back than. Another FACT you are trying to denay.

 

There's no real strategy you can use against and army of people who have guns, while you yourself have none

There is actually. Especially if you have weapons that are much more faster and usefull than guns. its not like they had automatic guns back than. You had to reload every time you fired a single shot and that would take good 15-30 secs. Not to mention Africans had a total territorial advantige. They knew the war areas much better than Eurpoeans. They just got defeated because of Europeans advanced startegy and war logic, not to mention  they had better trained MALE soldiers that enslaved half of Africa. Maybe you should quit watching those clique action movies were small humble tribe destoryes thousands of soldeirs from a great empie (roman, english, french, spanish...) because they are such a amazing and well trained warriors by their ''culture'' (because cultures have amazing effect on the development of a human body, you know). And im sorry, but Asterix and Obelix DIDNT defend their villiage from Romans, Galls got defeated by them. Its NOT the reality. Im sorry, but the Eurpeans ensalved almost the whole world, and i dont think its only because they had guns (which were pretty lame back than)

this does however show you're a misogynist

I asked you nicely not to use that judgemental hippie ''ohhh your such a...'' liberal bullshit on me. its seriously starting to get old.

 

The men in the bolded sentence deserve to be called cowards because they used guns against opponents who had none, and immoral for deciding to steal their land and resources.

Read my second paraphraph. 

 

And that stuff IS NOT DICTATED by nature, it's culturally determined. All societies create cultural myths in order to naturalise their practices, hence why you believe all these gender stereotypes to be "natural". As for tthe animal examples, well animals on some level have "cultures" too, and they learn from immitation (there are also lots of examples of males being the ones who raise the child etc.).

 

why are you still denying this? if you're gonna keep this up, i wont seriously bother for 1 more second in this topic. It is a FUCKING FACT that men have generally superiour physical strenght than women. MEN were the ones who went to war, even in stone age, when no ''culture'' even eisted besides the one for survival. Another FACT. You keep brinigng africa, the place where they even send children to war. In all other civilizations around the world-Asian, Middle Eastern, Chinese, Japanese, North American, South American (for most part), European...in every region, in every culture the men were the ones to go to war. Its  history. Its ANOTHER fucking FACT. Culture has nothing to do with it, but nature. As for the animals, they learn from their instincts given to them by nature, and besides penguins, i really cant think of any other male animals that takes care of their babies.(tho im sure there are some more - who are in minority of course )




Kasz216 said:
pizzahut451 said:
Kasz216 said:

About "male superior strength".


What percentage of people in the army do you think are stronger then her...

 

Averages are just that... averages.   Just because your group on average is stronger then another doesn't mean there are a lot of people stronger then you in the other group.

 

Also that's what boot camp is for.  If you pass bootcamp you are fit for combat.


Saying women shouldn't be in the army because men are stronger is like saying that men shouldn't go to college because women are more likely to graduate by 22.

 

Also, the majority of weapons used in antiquity actually weren't that heavy.  Even in europe there were times woman fought and often as well as men.  Usually in nomadic tribes like the Goths and Huns and such, and you pretty much needed to as nomads you were often running into soldiers.

Keep in mind, most people in armies had nothing but simple weapons and were lucky to have padded cloth armour.


So should i post a picture of high profile male body builder that can rip that ''woman'' in the picture in shreds ?

Nah, you have the ability to argue for over months about 1 argument, so i'll just cut it here and save us some time.

Such a picture would be irrelevent.

Said woman is stronger then the average man, and to take it one step further, actually stronger then the average soldier.

If women can be equal too or stronger then the average soldier, logic only dictates they should be allowed to be soldiers.  That is what bootcamp is for afterall.  Anyone who isn't fit to be in the military, men or women, gay or straight will be expelled or put in a non-combat role.


And averige man is stronger than averige woman. And a male body builder is can rip that woman o shreds. <--- Please tell me why is that so?



sapphi_snake said:
pizzahut451 said:
Kasz216 said:

About "male superior strength".


What percentage of people in the army do you think are stronger then her...

 

Averages are just that... averages.   Just because your group on average is stronger then another doesn't mean there are a lot of people stronger then you in the other group.

 

Also that's what boot camp is for.  If you pass bootcamp you are fit for combat.


Saying women shouldn't be in the army because men are stronger is like saying that men shouldn't go to college because women are more likely to graduate by 22.

 

Also, the majority of weapons used in antiquity actually weren't that heavy.  Even in europe there were times woman fought and often as well as men.  Usually in nomadic tribes like the Goths and Huns and such, and you pretty much needed to as nomads you were often running into soldiers.

Keep in mind, most people in armies had nothing but simple weapons and were lucky to have padded cloth armour.


So should i post a picture of high profile male body builder that can rip that ''woman'' in the picture in shreds ?

Nah, you have the ability to argue for over months about 1 argument, so i'll just cut it here and save us some time.

You're just upset because he's actually right. He said that just because men are overall stronger than women (mainely because women don't put any effort in getting physically strong), doesn't mean that there aren't women (like the one in that picture) who are much stronger than the averege male.  Overall that woman is stronger than the overhwelming majority of men, and women can probably get even more buff than her. I'm pretty sure that she is  be a better "warriror" than you and pretty much every guy on this site.

Nah, you see, you are just wandering off now. The point of bolded sentence i never denied. But i keep wondering why are male body builders stronger than female ones? Why are male boxers stronger than female ones ? WHY is that ?

And she sure as hell isnt better warrior. She has strenght but thats not the only thing that is required. How much does she actually know about war? its not just about pointing the gun to the enemy and fire and try not to get hit. war perception, endurance and overall knowledge of modern warfare is what huge majority of women lack these days.(lots of men lack it too, but to a much smaller scale) And YES, there are exceptions of course.