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Forums - Gaming - Graphic violence prevalent in HD games *another rant*

Mr Khan said:
Torillian said:

If you won't let your kids have a 360 or PS3 because of the violent games they could play why would you let them have a Wii when they could play Manhunt or Madworld?  Sure violent games are more prevalent on PS3/360 but there are games without violence just as there are games with violence on the Wii.  If you don't think you could keep your kids from playing the violent games on 360/PS3 what's to stop them playing the violent games on the Wii?

The main onus against PS3/360 in this case is that if you ask a given PS3/360 owner what makes owning the console worthwhile, they're going to name stuff like Gears, Killzone, Halo, Uncharted, etc. The top-tier HD games that are family appropriate, outside Kinect and Move stuff, is limited

Do you even own an HD system? Lets see there is flower, braid, castle crashers, soul calibur 4, marvel vs capcom 2, little big planet. motorstorm, motorstorm paciific rift, forza 3, GT5, mod nation racers, the sly collection, banjoo and kazooie nuts and bolts just to name a few. Some of these games have fighting, yet they have no blood and are rated teen or below. And many more soon to come out.



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There are plenty of non violent HD games and there are violent games on the Wii (as mentioned earlier in the thread), so there's no reason to deny someone the ownership of one or two great consoles. Especially since kids aren't supposed to be playing games Gears of War and Dante's Inferno to begin with. Saying that violence is prevalent in HD games, period, is just plain wrong. Sports games, GT, Forza, some of the biggest franchises are non violent.

I don't think I'd call the overall population desentized to violence compared to the olden days when people attended executions as entertainment. They had puppet shows before hangings, beheadings and public drownings and you could be locked into a stockade to be humiliated and beaten up by random strangers for days on end. Public executions were a great attraction and people even brought their kids to these, they tormented the victims (of execution) with harsh words and threw things at them, they even kicked and punched them if they could and it was all legal. Then they cheered at someone's death.

And let us not forget about Gladiator bouts etc.

Indeed, we are not desentized compared to mankind in the past and I think we're okay. If your kids growing up can't tell fact from fiction, that is an entirely different matter. Parents have an obligation to keep an eye on what their kids are doing but many fail to do so and blame society (videogames, music and movies) instead of taking measures and getting involved.

Is there a lot of violence in certain games today? No doubt. Are those games reason enough to boycot a console alltogether? No, that seems like a rather childish stance to take imo. Own a DVD player? Better get rid of it, there are all kinds of sick and violent movies available for it.



Okay, people really don't seem to get this; look at Wii's list of most popular games - you'll have to go to #8 to find Brawl, a game with fairly cartoonish violence rated T/12 and the first Mature game you'll find is Resident Evil 4, at #38, with not many more to follow. Now, looking at either PS3 or 360's lists, you'll find the most popular game to be MW2, a M/18 game with graphic violence and most of the other games are similarly violent.

If a kid goes to look for a game, he or she is far more likely to find a game inappropriate for his or her age on the PS3 or 360. And, honestly, being a kid myself, I know that most either disregard age ratings or are attracted to games simply because of a Mature or 18 label. When they own a PS3 or 360, their friends and Amazon will suggest CoD and they'll buy it, when they own a Wii, they'll be suggested NSMB and they'll buy it instead.

Oh, and Mummelmann, you're not seriously trying to justify violent behaviour by looking at worse stuff through the ages, are you? Sure, we can all say "oh, look, we used to have so much violence back then, a little terrorism today won't hurt", but that's a pathetic excuse. If something can be better, we might as well make it so.



 

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Mummelmann said:

There are plenty of non violent HD games and there are violent games on the Wii (as mentioned earlier in the thread), so there's no reason to deny someone the ownership of one or two great consoles. Especially since kids aren't supposed to be playing games Gears of War and Dante's Inferno to begin with. Saying that violence is prevalent in HD games, period, is just plain wrong. Sports games, GT, Forza, some of the biggest franchises are non violent.

I don't think I'd call the overall population desentized to violence compared to the olden days when people attended executions as entertainment. They had puppet shows before hangings, beheadings and public drownings and you could be locked into a stockade to be humiliated and beaten up by random strangers for days on end. Public executions were a great attraction and people even brought their kids to these, they tormented the victims (of execution) with harsh words and threw things at them, they even kicked and punched them if they could and it was all legal. Then they cheered at someone's death.

And let us not forget about Gladiator bouts etc.

Indeed, we are not desentized compared to mankind in the past and I think we're okay. If your kids growing up can't tell fact from fiction, that is an entirely different matter. Parents have an obligation to keep an eye on what their kids are doing but many fail to do so and blame society (videogames, music and movies) instead of taking measures and getting involved.

Is there a lot of violence in certain games today? No doubt. Are those games reason enough to boycot a console alltogether? No, that seems like a rather childish stance to take imo. Own a DVD player? Better get rid of it, there are all kinds of sick and violent movies available for it.


Highest selling HD games have lots of violence, highest selling Wii games do not



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Immortal said:

Okay, people really don't seem to get this; look at Wii's list of most popular games - you'll have to go to #8 to find Brawl, a game with fairly cartoonish violence rated T/12 and the first Mature game you'll find is Resident Evil 4, at #38, with not many more to follow. Now, looking at either PS3 or 360's lists, you'll find the most popular game to be MW2, a M/18 game with graphic violence and most of the other games are similarly violent.

If a kid goes to look for a game, he or she is far more likely to find a game inappropriate for his or her age on the PS3 or 360. And, honestly, being a kid myself, I know that most either disregard age ratings or are attracted to games simply because of a Mature or 18 label. When they own a PS3 or 360, their friends and Amazon will suggest CoD and they'll buy it, when they own a Wii, they'll be suggested NSMB and they'll buy it instead.

Oh, and Mummelmann, you're not seriously trying to justify violent behaviour by looking at worse stuff through the ages, are you? Sure, we can all say "oh, look, we used to have so much violence back then, a little terrorism today won't hurt", but that's a pathetic excuse. If something can be better, we might as well make it so.

Yes I am, people go on and on about how desintized we are to violence and makes it sound as if all kids are ticking time bombs ready to kill because they watch movies and play games. Where is this incredible violent behavior everyone is talking about? There were more brawls and upstarts fifty years ago when people had the balls to confront people and start shit alone. Its not a pathetic excuse, some people (especially from the US) make people sound like ravenous madmen whose minds are being destroyed by videogames and turning them into flesh hungry killing drones. This is gross polarization of arguments. One side claims that violence in games in not a big deal at all(I'm not one of those btw, like I've stated, kids should not play M rated or adult only games, its not the intended audience at all) and the other is basically saying that HD consoles are evil products that will taint your soul and drive you to murder or violent behavior. Blaming videogames is so easy, and parents who find their kid playing a game they shouldn't or watching a movie they shouldn't have a tendency to demonize the product itself and it's makers instead of accepting that they screwed up and aren't paying enough attention to the fact that their kids are getting hold of age inappropriate material.

As for the rest of your post;

1: The OP comes off as thinking that all HD games are violent and that those are the only kind of games you'll find on a 360/PS3

2: OP says he will refuse his kids to own a HD console for said reason, refer to my point about the DVD player; availablility of movies/games unsuited are a poor excuse to outright ban a product. He should also quickly dispose of his PC and/or smartphone.

3: Your point about being more likely to end up with an inappropriate game. Let me repeat myself; parents are responsible for what their kids are watching/playing and if kids own these games (they probably even buy them from the allowance the parents give them or the parents outright buy them for them) its the parents who are failing to do their job. See a game with an 18 year age limit? Don't buy it for your 10 year old, its not that hard.

4: Its not about whether the bestseller list has violent games or not on it, the OP seems to think that all HD games are violent and no Wii games are. By his logic, the Wii should not be in his house since you can get Madworld, No More Heroes, Call of Duty and lots of other violent games on it.

5: What do you have a against HD consoles? Almost all your posts seem to be another heavy step in some kind of crusade against them and their games. I haven't seen you utter a single positive word about either of them. Do you hate the PC as well? You should, it has even more violent games and unlimited access to the internet which has all kinds of twisted stuff ready for finding. It seems almost personal for you.

Why do I care about all this? Because I see yet another irrational argument put forth by a parent who would rather the world stopped presenting challenges in the form of things you have to watch to keep your children from harm (or possible harm anyway) and keeps chanting about things in black and white. Its the "videogames are making kids violent" debate all over again, only from a slightly different angle.



First of all you dont need to declare that the post is a rant. I think by now most people will recognise your profile picture and make that deduction by themselves.

Secondly, is this all youve joined this site to do? You seem to be either an associate or supporter (obviously) of Jack Thompson.



SecondWar said:

First of all you dont need to declare that the post is a rant. Think by now most people will recognise you profile picture and make that deduction by themselves.

Secondly, is this all youve joined this site to do? You seem to be either an associate or supporter (obviously) of Jack Thompson.


http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=119075

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=117393

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=113691

Seems my theory was right, this guy sees music, movies and videogames as the source of evil deeds and makes all sorts of claims to try to convert atheists into believers. I think we should simply step away from the thread nice and quiet and forget it ever existed. Posters with a clear, bigger agenda are rarely people there is any sense debating with.

PS: Yes, he's probably a fan of Thompson, he has a similar narrow, archaic stance on all things entertainment related.



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The OP isnt wrong as long as he doesnt say some crap about they should stop making those kinda games its all good. Let him have his family friendly stuff on Wii. Others will shoot guns on HD and others will..... actually do both. variety is the spice of life. its all about balance I like violent games, none violent ones. moderate ones. I just like games (except for MMORPGs)