I never expected a triple A $60 RPG (even though it's called the best Diablo clone), but still with some changes it could've been a truly outstanding game.

The graphics are great and the gameplay is good too it just sucks that everything around it feels average and lacklustre.

I'm so pissed off with Dragon Age 2 right now its glitched me out of the last acheivement i need for the second time. Don't think i've played a game with so many fucking bugs before and i just hope Bioware get their act together and they don't release Mass Effect 3 half finished.

Berstuck:  I saw you took second again but I just can't face another two days in there to catch up.  Not a bad game but if it weren't for the achs I wouldn't be replaying it.  I think Bknight2k has the one you're missing for collecting all the crafting junk.  I've read it's missable without certain quests and companions but is it glitched somehow too?  Hang in there man.    

Yeah man the problem is if you try to romance both Merril and Isabelle the game glitches and you can no longer complete Isabelles side quest where you can pick up the ambrosia. She ends up just standing in your house with an exclamation mark over her head but you can't initiate her quest. I suppose thats what i get for my character being a slut.

If it wasn't for the achievements i would have stoped playing ages ago.

@Barozi, your complaints about Torchlight pretty much describe every single dungeon crawler made, including the Diablo games.  I'm thinking maybe you're just not a fan of the genre? Price wise there is a lot of bang for your buck.  I even started over with a warrior after I got the 200 gamerscore.  Something I've basically never done on a game once I fully compeleted it. It also had a pretty good metacritic score last time I checked.  It's probably just not for you but I don't want everyone else thinking its trash.  Repetitive? Under dungeon crawler in the dictionary the definiton is repetitive.  That's just par for the course.

I'm coming up on you guys in the DA2 race.  If all goes well in the next couple days I hit 950 or 975. I'm starting to agree about Bioware not being able to make a bug/glitch free game that doesn't freeze occasionally.  But that said I would say DA2 was way better than origins.  Better characters, more style, more responsive "actiony" fighting, less time spent slaving away in menus.  Normally I detest the "dumbing down" of any RPG, in this odd case I agree with Bioware's changes and think the result is a much funner, replayable game. I know I don't share the popular opinion about it, but that's all it is, my opinion.

I never even finished my second play of origins with a warrior because it bored me half to sleep.  I'm finding the warrior in this one to actually be even more fun than the mage.  Which is mindblowing to a caster lover like me.

Never said it's trash, I even called the gameplay good, which is obviously the main part of every game.

I also gave it myself a 7.7 which you can see on my profile page. It's not that far off compared to it's current metascore (82), yet it's only good in my opinion and not great.

I think I've made some very valid points to improve the game and I've already seen some of them adressed by the developers in Torchlight 2.

As for the "it's not my genre" theory. I think you're wrong because there's one dungeon crawler back in the Xbox days that is still one of my favourite RPGs on consoles. Baldur's Gate Dark Alliance.

Lightyears better than Torchlight and yes you might say that it was a retail game, but seriously I'd have rather payed 15 bucks for a 2 hour game with the greatness of Dark Alliance than Torchlight in it's current state, since everything just feels like it was copied and pasted 3 times to make the game appear longer than it should be.

Also I don't remember Dark Alliance having these flaws I listed at the beginning. So instead of paying $15 for Torchlight, I'd greatly recommend paying roughly the same price for Dark Alliance (NTSC) or Dark Alliance 2 (PAL & NTSC) and pop them into your 360 instead, if some of you have never played it.

@Barozi, but you won't earn achievements for Dark Alliance! Kidding aside you are right, both those games were great.  Even the gameboy version was good.

I don't mean to sound like I was attacking you, I just really enjoyed Torchlight.  I particularly loved the pet apsect, skill trees and the gem system like the one in Diablo 2.

If I had any complaints it would be throw away achievements that don't promote longevity and no multiplayer and no way to share items among characters.  It feels useless finding epic set pieces when you can't even use them...

But I would still give it a solid 8.5 in a comparison against other Live Arcade offerings.  I'm not comparing it to Diablo 2 or Dark Alliance, I'm comparing it against other cheap downloadable games.  Wheter or not you can get last gen games cheap, and yes, better dungeon crawlers is irrelevant.

I mean, you can get Splinter Cell Conviction for, whatever, 30 dollars or you can buy Chaos Theory for 5. The latter clearly being the better game.  But if you've already played through Chaos Theory chances are you are going to want Conviction instead.

Some people want new experiences.  I mean, I honestly do agree the game's quest are the same 3 things over and over. But honestly the day I play a dungeon crawler for variety and story, I'll be suprised.  I get that in other big name RPGs.  I play dungeon crawlers for this: Kill, loot, power up, kill more.  And nothing about that equation honestly needs to involve deep exposition if you think about it.

Even other with dungeon crawlers with supposidly better stories and quest can all be broken down into, "go here, get this item or kill this creature." Torchlight just didn't try to disguise that fact.

But honestly I saw torchlight as one thing only, a diversion till Dungeon Siege 3 and Diablo 3 (hopefully) come to consoles. And it passed the test in that regard.

I don't blame you for being critical, I think some times I'm to lienient when I should expect more, not less.

Anyone here play Crysis 2 yet?

Not yet. Should have my copy by friday at the latest.