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huaxiong90 said:
dahuman said:

I feel no sympathy towards Square-Enix these days, they've just been latching on their past successes and not doing much these days tbh.

I honestly want to understand how this is so...I mean, to me, it seems like they're TRYING to achieve global appeal, but they're doing it completely wrong.


They screwed up FF13 with more cons than pros.

FF14............ you know the story.

KH still plays pretty much the same on every platform after a decade, Recoded is a remake of a mobile game which well, will still play the same.

They've released that buggy ass game called TLR which ironically is the best on PC while being a mostly console centric studio.

Infinite Undiscovery really?

Nier was wtf.

Crystal Bearers, I don't want to talk about it.

DQ9 is really just an OK game and fortunately sold very well in Japan.

I haven't seen one good new IP besides The World Ends with You.

If you tell me you like their FMA games, I'll beat you to death with a carrot stick.

They are only able to make decent portable games this gen for the most part, and a lot of them are also old ass IPs. Latching away~~~

Thank goodness they picked up Eidos tbh, the glory of Batman: AA and Just Cause 2 can't be denied.

oh and DQX is nowhere in sight.

 

So yeah, Incapable of making good new IP like they used to when it was still Squaresoft, can't argue against that, they were at their best duing PS1 and PS2 times. The only thing they can do is hanging on to old IPs(FF name for example) and make a lot of the same games over and over these days, they need to hire new talents and change leaderships or some shit.



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huaxiong90 said:
dahuman said:

I feel no sympathy towards Square-Enix these days, they've just been latching on their past successes and not doing much these days tbh.

I honestly want to understand how this is so...I mean, to me, it seems like they're TRYING to achieve global appeal, but they're doing it completely wrong.

I don't even know where they are trying to achieve global appeal, I hear so many people saying they are westernizing their games, but I don't see it. The most westernized game to come out Square-Enix was Final Fantasy XII, its been 4 years since that came out.



huaxiong90 said:
darkknightkryta said:
huaxiong90 said:

I honestly doubt Sony will buy out Square Enix. The cost isn't justified.

Yoichi Wada needs to be canned. He's driving the company's business into the ground. Serves him right for trying to Westernize the company, when most Western publishers are pissing money away (seriously, Activision would be bleeding away so much cash right now if it weren't for Blizzard) while Japanese companies generally are making healthy profits.

Actvision is still bleeding even with Blizzard...

I thought they were barely profiting thanks to Blizzard?

I recall (Can be wrong just going off of memory and to lazy to look), but I think they actually posted a loss.  Though you're probably right and it was a small profit... but regardless, what the hell is Activision doing when WoW brings them in a billion a year and they can't/barely post a profit?



Rob-Ot said:
huaxiong90 said:
dahuman said:

I feel no sympathy towards Square-Enix these days, they've just been latching on their past successes and not doing much these days tbh.

I honestly want to understand how this is so...I mean, to me, it seems like they're TRYING to achieve global appeal, but they're doing it completely wrong.

I don't even know where they are trying to achieve global appeal, I hear so many people saying they are westernizing their games, but I don't see it. The most westernized game to come out Square-Enix was Final Fantasy XII, its been 4 years since that came out.

Replacing the ending theme of Final Fantasy XIII with Leona Lewis was one thing that came to mind.  Not sure if it was directly stated but getting rid of towns and stuff from FInal Fantasy XIII was to "appeal to western audiences" though that was probably hinted if anything.  The biggest thing is everything that comes out of Wada's mouth.



darkknightkryta said:
huaxiong90 said:
darkknightkryta said:
huaxiong90 said:

I honestly doubt Sony will buy out Square Enix. The cost isn't justified.

Yoichi Wada needs to be canned. He's driving the company's business into the ground. Serves him right for trying to Westernize the company, when most Western publishers are pissing money away (seriously, Activision would be bleeding away so much cash right now if it weren't for Blizzard) while Japanese companies generally are making healthy profits.

Actvision is still bleeding even with Blizzard...

I thought they were barely profiting thanks to Blizzard?

I recall (Can be wrong just going off of memory and to lazy to look), but I think they actually posted a loss.  Though you're probably right and it was a small profit... but regardless, what the hell is Activision doing when WoW brings them in a billion a year and they can't/barely post a profit?

I'm not even sure that Activision and Blizzard are running the same accounts. Activision is posting a loss while Blizzard is still just chilling and relaxing like they are not even the same company is what I'm seeing.



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Mad55 said:
Rob-Ot said:
Mad55 said:
VoiceofReason said:

SE is a sinkhole for money now, they have nothing but their name to go on, they haven't made a good console game in over a decade, Sony would never buy it, Sony is far more interested in new talent (media molecule) when it comes to acquiring studios Sony is the best of the three by far, new talent is cheaper and far more worth it, spending ridicules amounts of money to buy basically just a brand name that sells to alot of people is more MSes thing to be honest, and if MS did buy SE I really don't think I'd care, probably be a similar result to MS buying RARE, which is now a pale shadow of what it once was 


lol thats very much a lie.

Its not far from the truth, I can only name 2 myself, Kingdom Hearts 2 and Final Fantasy 13 (a good game but a mediocre Final Fantasy).

wow

final fantasy 10

final fantasy 12 (it was an 8/10)

final fantasy 13

`kingdom hearts 1 and 2(i bet more people actually like it than dislike it)

nier

star ocean 3 and 4

The last remnant ( a lil biggy but still good)

etc.

Those are all good or great games

My bad I meant nearly a decade, I exaggerative the time a bit, both KHs and FFX were good, but the rest were mediocre at best and last remnant was crap that did so poorly it didn't even justify a port, and don't use scores to justify it everyone knows big name games get far higher scores then they should by "professional" reviewers 



darkknightkryta said:
Rob-Ot said:
huaxiong90 said:
dahuman said:

I feel no sympathy towards Square-Enix these days, they've just been latching on their past successes and not doing much these days tbh.

I honestly want to understand how this is so...I mean, to me, it seems like they're TRYING to achieve global appeal, but they're doing it completely wrong.

I don't even know where they are trying to achieve global appeal, I hear so many people saying they are westernizing their games, but I don't see it. The most westernized game to come out Square-Enix was Final Fantasy XII, its been 4 years since that came out.

Replacing the ending theme of Final Fantasy XIII with Leona Lewis was one thing that came to mind.  Not sure if it was directly stated but getting rid of towns and stuff from FInal Fantasy XIII was to "appeal to western audiences" though that was probably hinted if anything.  The biggest thing is everything that comes out of Wada's mouth.

Adding a english song at the end isn't "westernization". Taking towns out isn't either, I mean have the clowns at Square-Enix seen Western RPG's this generation? If anything FFXIII was most similar to FFX in structure (apart from Towns), I really don't see how it was meant to appeal to the West, because FFXIII is as Japanese as it gets from its art style, characters to even its dialogue. Perhaps they said its meant to appeal to the West to desparately try to make an excuse for the linearity. As the original FFXIII for PS2 was planned to be pretty non-linear (with even a cocoon world map I believe), moving the game to PS3 and the terrible development process (that we spoke about in the other thread) is what led to a linear structure being formed.



This explain why they are doing a Mario game for Wii...  

 

Because Nintendo is the Salvation.



Rob-Ot said:
Mad55 said:
Rob-Ot said:
Mad55 said:
VoiceofReason said:

SE is a sinkhole for money now, they have nothing but their name to go on, they haven't made a good console game in over a decade, Sony would never buy it, Sony is far more interested in new talent (media molecule) when it comes to acquiring studios Sony is the best of the three by far, new talent is cheaper and far more worth it, spending ridicules amounts of money to buy basically just a brand name that sells to alot of people is more MSes thing to be honest, and if MS did buy SE I really don't think I'd care, probably be a similar result to MS buying RARE, which is now a pale shadow of what it once was 


lol thats very much a lie.

Its not far from the truth, I can only name 2 myself, Kingdom Hearts 2 and Final Fantasy 13 (a good game but a mediocre Final Fantasy).

wow

final fantasy 10

final fantasy 12 (it was an 8/10)

final fantasy 13

`kingdom hearts 1 and 2(i bet more people actually like it than dislike it)

nier

star ocean 3 and 4

The last remnant ( a lil biggy but still good)

etc.

Those are all good or great games

I think he meant since Squaresoft became SE, so we don't count FF10, even then FF10 was very disappointing at the time.

FF12 I didn't like at all, FF13 I included.

Kingdom Hearts 1 is squaresoft, KH2 I included.

Star Ocean 3 and 4 were made by Tri-Ace, and 4 was awful. 

The Last Remnant is mediocre, NIER is made by Cavia.

In my opinion they have only made 2 good games since becoming Square-Enix on home consoles (KH2, FF13), in your opinion they have made many more, which is great for you, I'm glad you can still enjoy most of their games.

Umm he never said anything about squaresoft he just spoke about the company in general within the last 10 years. also just because someone else develops it doesnt mean its their game those games i named are all owned by squareenix i believe. Thats like saying you cant count a need for speed game because criterion made it and ea just published it its still eas game and franchise so it counts.



Rob-Ot said:
darkknightkryta said:
Rob-Ot said:
huaxiong90 said:
dahuman said:

I feel no sympathy towards Square-Enix these days, they've just been latching on their past successes and not doing much these days tbh.

I honestly want to understand how this is so...I mean, to me, it seems like they're TRYING to achieve global appeal, but they're doing it completely wrong.

I don't even know where they are trying to achieve global appeal, I hear so many people saying they are westernizing their games, but I don't see it. The most westernized game to come out Square-Enix was Final Fantasy XII, its been 4 years since that came out.

Replacing the ending theme of Final Fantasy XIII with Leona Lewis was one thing that came to mind.  Not sure if it was directly stated but getting rid of towns and stuff from FInal Fantasy XIII was to "appeal to western audiences" though that was probably hinted if anything.  The biggest thing is everything that comes out of Wada's mouth.

Adding a english song at the end isn't "westernization". Taking towns out isn't either, I mean have the clowns at Square-Enix seen Western RPG's this generation? If anything FFXIII was most similar to FFX in structure (apart from Towns), I really don't see how it was meant to appeal to the West, because FFXIII is as Japanese as it gets from its art style, characters to even its dialogue. Perhaps they said its meant to appeal to the West to desparately try to make an excuse for the linearity. As the original FFXIII for PS2 was planned to be pretty non-linear (with even a cocoon world map I believe), moving the game to PS3 and the terrible development process (that we spoke about in the other thread) is what led to a linear structure being formed.

FFXIII was really dumbed down and linearized, it basically took all strategy out of the game in favor of making things look cool and fast, and killed any possible exploration which even FFX had quite a bit of