Yeah, "lower" as in "below the waist".

Seriously, though, your usage is definitely the more obscure, at least in my neck of the woods. I just wanted to make sure you weren't accidentally misusing the word or mistaking it for another.

im 17 and everyone i know has 360 my age, only a few own a wii (mostly girls......)

 Now this is a good post. It doesn't even contain vague stereotyping or chest-thumping.

At the end of the day the demographics that the 360 performs well in can be loosely defined as the informed gamer, the gamer that perhaps spends a lot of time reading game impressions and reviews and spends a reasonable amount of time discussing games with others. You win these people over by releasing great games.

 Now the Wii has some great games, but they tend to be from franchises that were great on the Gamecube and great on the N64. Basically if these demographics didn't want a Nintendo console then, then they really have no reason to change their opinion now. Informed gamers have already factored in that there will be a great Zelda title and a great Mario title and so it has no impact upon their decision-making. Winning over this demographic is not about releasing violent videogames its about releasing interesting, ambitious and innovative gaming titles.

i like all the consoles (even after sony gave me a form of dissapointment last year.) there is one fact that will always be apparent 2 all and that is the fact that the 360 cannot succeed WITHOUT JAPAN AND EUROPE WHERE THE WIIS3 IS TROUNCING IT!!

im 23. i want to get a wii but stupid nintendo hasnt made any black ones yet!! idiots!!!

yea, i have a ps3 but i typically dont like shooters. particularly FPSs.

@OP: I agree on the violence part, it does interest kids since they think it's something that makes you mature.
But there's also another point of view, and this is about shooters. I actually wrote something similar to another topic. So, brains are in a state of constant change in ages between 12-25 (could start before 12, but should end at latest in the age of 25) and the brain chemistry is somewhat disturbed until brains reach it's maximum. These brains also need a lot of testosterone, which you can give to them by playing a simple fast-paced game, which really don't require thinking, only reflexes and preferrably constantly. When they feel like they've accoplished something (in this case for example fragged someone online), brain rewards itself with a hefty amount of endorphines, which is comparable to injecting morphine (endorphine actually is relative to morphine). When you're around 15-16, the change is in it's maximum and at that age, the games i mentioned, hit the best.
The reason why they play this kind of games, is that it's competition, if you don't compete in games, you compete in something else, sports, driving etc. It's all about natural behavior of becoming "hunter", "warrior" or even "fisherman", in other words, the alpha-male, who gets to choose first with who to reproduce, get your own genes forwarded before others.
Now, after you reach your personal alpha-male status, you also calm down, compete only that much, what's necessary to remain your status.
The reason why gaming in general is seen "kiddy" is the competition aspect in games, which is considered for immature unsecure people, who still haven't found their social status. When non-competing, in other words, fun, is considered to be more mature, since it's something that secure matures do to pass time. So, basically you compete only with people, who can challenge your status, or as a challenger, you compete people with higher status.

@dgenerate: If half of the money EA makes with Wii goes for developement for other consoles, it means certain financial irrationalities. Which means, that they will focus on Wii, since it makes more profit. It's as simple as that.

@gebx: Maybe the people grew out of Halo? Anyway, it doesn't mean, that everyone who bought earlier Halos are Halo fans. The newest Halo was bought by people who are fans, people who just saw it as quality game for 360 and people who haven't played Halo ever and wanted to find out what the hype was all about.

@Kyros: Innovative gameplay, game depth and sophistication have hardly anything to do with hardware it's running. But at the moment 360 and PS3 games have more depth and sophistication than Wii games, on average. But things can change quickly. The best (independently) selling game on Wii happens to be the most sophisticated and has the most depht of Wii games. This should tell the developers, that this kind of games sell on Wii.

"Innovative gameplay, game depth and sophistication have hardly anything to do with hardware"

There are some exceptions (I couldn't imagine the huge open Jerusalem with all its inhabitants on a Wii/PS2) but generally I would agree with that statement. (Although GTA also simulates a huge open city so most likely hardware ist not the decisive factor)

"But things can change quickly. The best (independently) selling game on Wii happens to be the most sophisticated and has the most depht of Wii games. This should tell the developers, that this kind of games sell on Wii."

Yes things can change but I would disagree with quickly. A really good game needs years to develop. And they cannot simply port 360 or PS3 games. I would imagine that there are some Wii projects starting at the moment but so far there are too many cash-ins. If I get a Wii then for playing with friends where the Wii really excells the competition, but only after the price has dropped.

 I don't know.  Sega was not as tech spec as SNES and it was really popular with those that wanted to be cool because of marketing.  I bought a PS1 in high school, even though the N64 had better graphics.  The games were just cooler for what I was looking for at the time.  The 3d fighting games and Square moved over to PS1.

But I think the majority of hardcore 15-30 year old guys in America will still think the 360 is better than the Wii 3 years from now. 

And about girls and older people, I could not agree more.  My dad enjoys the Wii and every girl that has tried it, loved it. 

Theres more 360ers than people who have a wii at my school. But pretty much everyone that has a 360 wants a wii for smash bros next year. I dont think wii is doing that bad with teens. But a few more mature games couldn't hurt it.