Or by Nintendo :)

That too. This whole thread only exists because Nintendo games don't count for anything.

I mean

Best selling racing game? Not Nintendo.

Best selling sports game? Not Nintendo.

Best selling JRPG? Not Nintendo.

Best selling pet simulator? Genre not recognised as a game.

Best selling fitness game? Genre not recognised as a game.

That's just trolling, >.>.

Just because Nintendo doesn't throw money down a black hole like Sony did with the PS3 doesn't mean that it doesn't make games well. They make them cheaply, but they actually make them well.

Oh, and GT5 is just as much for weaseling the money out of your wallet as Nintendogs for mine. No less, no more.

Finally, Miis are new characters. And so are Nintendogs. Like it or not.

So you don't like Sony or Microsoft either?

Sony knew they would lsoe money with ps3 but it would lead them tio win with blu-ray = win. LOL gt5 isnt a weasel for money what so ever XD. by that i meen with lets say wii music if prob cost them MAX 1 million 2 make and prob just 1 or 2 months. gt5 costs over $60 million and 6 years to make. weather or not u like gt5 it its obviously not just trying tio make a fats buck.

I supose in your mind then playstation home charecters are new characters aswell. Mii's just like PSHome character are what is commonly referd to as "cheap shit" XD

In last 10 years sony have made looads of new series with completly new charecters. god of war, ucnharted, ratchet and clank, infamous, etc. its a loong list. they funded and help create all of these with the intention of satisfying peoples need for new games. Nintendo continued to make loads of mario, mario, zelda, mario, zelda, pokemon oh and did i mention mario? ^^ And no i dotn like microsoft. But atleats they made fable etc

I think he means a new character with a plot like Zelda, Mario, DK, Pokemon, Samus.....kind of game.

I really hope so!

Squilliam sums it up perfectly. On the other hand, I could also argue that all the so-caledd casual Wii series games are the "hardcore" ip for Wii customers.

Also, whenever I see a topic like this, I always have this question. There are gonna be 3 Uncharted and 3 Resistence games this gen in a 4-5 year period and probbaly none next gen. That's better than Nintendo releases old character once each gen with new gameplays?

Last, as long as the ip sells, any companies would re-use it every single gen.(see Halo, Gran Turismo etc)

That was their intention, but it didn't exactly work, did it? Bluray, though not failing, is not doing nearly enough to recover the losses from PS3, and never will. Sony's pretty much been at its worst in the years after the PS3.

Anyway, that is, like it or not, the job of a game. Video games are a business. They're made almost solely, if not solely, for making money. If GT5 took far too long to develop and cost a pretty penny, it's doing things wrong. It's really nothing to admire. It's still trying to make a "fats buck" and apparently not doing that well at it either, >.>.

Oh, and if PS home characters appear in a lot of the console's most popular games, then sure, they're new characters, :D.

atleats with gt5 they tried to create something great. nintendo knew wii music sucked. they didnt care, becayuse they dont any more. if you find the thread about blu-ray tracking you will find that it is gaining on DVD everyday. expeshaly in japan where it is doing fantasticly. They recond that by 2017 (npot that far away in terms of a brand new platform) blu-ray will have a 74% market share (http://www.homemediamagazine.com/blu-ray-disc/analyst-blu-ray-reach-74-market-share-2017-14496).

I meen honestly the scores for there mii games is just horific...

Wii Play 58%

Wii Music 63%

Wii part 68%

The nintendo i used to know woudd NEVER release this kind of crap. and yet here we are. a constant stream of it ^^