Oh OK. I guess that statement completely clears you from the fact you had been harping on him for a good hundred posts or so, really ignoring mostly everyone else.

come on. All those comments and not a single one about SAK? Was 309 posts to many for you to notice the inexcusable one? Not a single comment about an obvious instance of not paying attention to the game at all? Of all people I sorta expected you to be all over it. Besides, you are never going to swing a vote to zexen.

I didn't want to have to fight tooth and nail to get a SAK vote going, but it looks like I must. This only further strengthens my belief that SAK is scum. If he is town I'd be willing to bet that all the mafia would have jumped on him by now and we'd be up to L-2 or so. I mean, you can't deny that it would be convenient and easy to hide behind. Much like last game with me hiding behind lynching the liars (as a side note, I would have done that if I was pro town too )

We have about five lurkers, and being Christmas time, that is not a totally inexcusable offense. Though for curiosity's sake, link post plz.

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=3824767

note my reply shortly after, and the fact that you and I have both entered the game and posted. Also, you'll notice that both players were seperated out in the potals section that he comments about.

I don't have a problem with lurkers in general right now as you noted. However, go and read the rest of his posts in day 2 and you'll see he wasn't just busy as he posted a decent amount.

as a note, my quote of SAK was post #575 in this thread (1st post page 24, 25 posts/page)

It does seem weird, yet not enough to warrant from me... yet.

You missed all my reasons for hatmoza.  If you can't find them I will sumerize them latter. There are now many people with 3 votes including SAK who didn't even have 2 at the point you made this list. 

1) It wasn't a list of pro-town people, it was a list of high profile players. Furthermore I find it quite disarming that you'd feel suspicious of someone for coming to the same conclusion as you did.
               
2) I had said plenty before I replied to scottie. I don't know where you're getting that I "popped up".
               
3) Are you saying you think radishhead is the cop and openly asked for advice on who to investigate? That thought never crossed my mind, radish knows better than to do a move like this.

A few things before I disappear for a bit again and come back. Tired so this is short.

@Prof
Referencing the day one and day two discrepancy makes absolutely no sense to me. What happened is a matter of public record. Further by the time you even had claimed it I disappeared for another couple of days. You also seem to enjoy continuing to twist my words. Going after me is whatever, but you need actual evidence which you had none of at the time. Instead were going in circles over imagined insults that never happened despite the fact I repeatedly pointed out they never happened. Glad to see you won't let it go though. Really like how you tried to twist me admitting someone outside of the pissing contest should weigh in as somehow a bad thing.

@ "Potals" in general
I had never seen one before. At first I thought it somewhat interesting as a concept, but ultimately I have decided they should be given no weight at the end of the day. There is a very good reason for this beyond what Nordlead has stated (which I agree with). They are only valid if we assume the player making them is a townie. This is the worst mistake you can make in these games if you ask me. I don't have any reason to dislike the ones posted per se, but as a rule I can't begin to view them as a good thing. It has a good thought behind it, but ultimately it is useless as we don't know who is behind the tool.

@Vetteman
I'd agree with you with hatmoza normally. I obviously have had similar thoughts. The problem is we are going back and forth on who agrees with who. Essentially we are both buddying up with each other. Now there is the possibility that we are both mafia, but I am not a retard. Consequently I wouldn't buddy up with another mafia player. I'd like to think hatmoza wouldn't either, but we have all seen how he plays. He has done some amazingly terrible things when a mafia player, although that is behind him from what I have seen.

@Linkz
Yup, I am shifty, evasive, and often less than fully honest. These are qualities that make me look really sketchy. These are qualities that have trapped mafia players in the past. Laying out a trap with a big sign that says "TRAP HERE MAFIA PLAYERS PLEASE DO X!!!!" is, well, less than effective. I prefer a more subtle approach which requires more finesse, and less obvious behavior. This also makes for a better game of intrigue all around cause you will doubt my intention right up until my corpse pops up.

Scottie, MG94, Prof, Wonk and Zexen all seem sketchy to me still. Just for those curious.

Okay folks I'm off for Christmas in a few minutes, I don't think I'll reconnect before the 26th or maybe 27th. Merry Christmas everyone!