Fair enough on the counter-point.

For a fake confession, nen would never say I'm a townie making a gamble because that does nothing for him.

If he votes me he could just say "you're right, I had a feeling you were scum and since I fibbed about being able to protect myself I took a gamble and protected FF instead of radish. Thanks for making it easy on us!" Then vote, vote, vote same result of town losing.

Though I have do wonder what FF's take would've been had I made such a confession.

If there was a kill, radish already has stated that he'd have voted for myself or FF. Neither of those first posts are convincing. One, Truck didn't name me as a mason so radish would immediately know I'm lying. The only way that would work is if nen was dumb enough to buy it and give up, which is not true. I made it quite clear I'm not the cop, and it would've taken an incredible story of bad luck to have never hit scum or enough confirmable townies to win earlier than then. Really there was no convincing and the same is true if I was night killed and FF had to attempt it, and really this is why we'd have lost anyway. I just saved us a night and additional day. No blame placed on radish though, I bit on the claim too. If I blame anyone it's all of the inactives, 4 masons would've proven to be an insanely amazing asset for town had it been active players.

You're missing the point that it doesn't matter if one townie knows for certain that nen is mafia. If anything it'd have been better to force nen to protect himself.

Gee, did you really expect me to analyze deeply every single post done in my absence? I never playlike that, fuck I almost skip long posts in a regular mafia game because they're usually useless (same thing as lists), it was a given that I'd read hastily everything and carry on with my previous action. Unless the one that returned from holiday was a different me, which didn't happen

Indeed we did. It really would've been worth lynching nen day three and then MG and SAK would've followed.

Also looking back, I love reading scottie's insistence that nen was town. XD

I'm talking about alternatives I'm talking about the reality of the situation.  Nen was pretty much cleared as town one person knowing he is the final scum wouldn't really help that much any reasons or proof you would try and use to say that nen is scum would be seen as mafia trying to frame nen and win the game. 

So what I'm saying is the game was over once most the town bought nen's claim.

GFT. I wasn't lying when I said I was anxious to see the various topics. My analysis seems to be better dead than alive. I did get Stefl though, and I was heavily suspicious of MG, SAK, and hat even if I played no part of their modkill/lynchings.

I'm going to have to finish watching Death Note before getting into the thick of the next round though. Seeing the battle between L and Kira had me double guessing EVERYTHING I thought here, even if I never said as much.

I'll concede that it would still be difficult to win.

However, knowing who the mafia is is a much better position than arguing against a townie. And despite my examples not working for your exact specific case, I know you could've found a way to convince radish. I just haven't taken the time to analyze your exact position to guess what had a good chance of working.

Anyway, we'll let radish solve the problem.

@Radish

If a plan was put forth to "no lynch" and make nen defend you, and then ff died in the night....could you have been convinced nen was mafia? I'm not going to ask specifically what should be said to convince you, but do you think there was a chance you could've been convinced?

BAH!

I was right about nen. Even the part for why zex was killed. 

Linkz - you're a great arguer. Your only problem is that you are completely wrong most of the time. -___-

At least I won my bet! Dtewi get ready for your ass to be banned.  

also, im going to have to urge you all that if you cannot play, do not bother signing up again.

Speaking of which, get your ass to the chat, we didn't agree how much time he will

For the first question, soon.  For the latter, only after all the participants give me their okay.  The mason one doesn't need ALL the masons to give their okay (because most of the masons never posted there... -_-), and the mafia one has some members who haven't logged on in a while.