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jarrod on 09 December 2010
outlawauron said:
09tarheel said:
outlawauron said:

Also, Taiko Drum Master 3 on Wii is way low. Kinda surprised considering how well the series has sold before.

According to VGCs number the first week was nearly identical to the first week of the last game. The  last game opened with 29,929,and is at 397,535 now.

Yes, but traditionally, sequels on the same console open higher and have lower legs. This is due to the existing fanbase already there to pick up the new entry whenever it releases. There are always exceptions, it just seems really low.

Taiko on Wii's already one of these exceptions.  The 2nd game opened far lower than the first (Taiko Wii 1 = 100k fw, Taiko Wii 2 = 30k fw), yet had much better legs (Taiko Wii 1 sold 6.5x it's fw ltd, Taiko Wii 2 sold 13.3x it's fw ltd).  

I think we can probably expect Taiko Wii 3 to perform pretty similar to 2 though.



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jarrod on 09 December 2010
outlawauron said:

Tales of Graces F should be enough to quiet any excuses for JRPGs on Wii in Japan. 

Tales did the same on Wii as on DS.  I guess that mean Hori definitely picked the correct platform for DQX. :)



jarrod on 09 December 2010
huaxiong90 said:

Also, lmao at Tales of Graces F. Tales obviously belongs on Sony consoles. Now let's hope they bring them to the West too.

Problem is, Tales games do the worst on PlayStations outside Japan.  They pretty much all bombed on PS1/PS2/PSP here.

I've always said, Namco should be making each and every Tales game multiplatform to really maximize their audience.  That way you hit the PS audience inside Japan (where the series tends to sell best) and the Nintendo audience outside Japan (where the series tends to sell best).  Abyss not releasing on GameCube, when Symphonia did a whopping 500k plus on the system in the US alone, was one of Namco's stupider decisions in recent memory... 



huaxiong90 on 09 December 2010
jarrod said:
huaxiong90 said:

Also, lmao at Tales of Graces F. Tales obviously belongs on Sony consoles. Now let's hope they bring them to the West too.

Problem is, Tales games do the worst on PlayStations outside Japan.  They pretty much all bombed on PS1/PS2/PSP here.

I've always said, Namco should be making each and every Tales game multiplatform to really maximize their audience.  That way you hit the PS audience inside Japan (where the series tends to sell best) and the Nintendo audience outside Japan (where the series tends to sell best).  Abyss not releasing on GameCube, when Symphonia did a whopping 500k plus on the system in the US alone, was one of Namco's stupider decisions in recent memory... 

Oh, no doubt (regarding Abyss and Symphonia). But looking at the recent figures of Tales...we need a Western PS3 release before it's absolute. But looking at the trends so far, it's looking that way.

I didn't mean to come off as a douche with my last comment (as in I'm saying "other consoles don't deserve to have Tales"), but it really seems like the Tales fanbase is now on PS3.



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Boutros on 09 December 2010
jarrod said:
huaxiong90 said:

Also, lmao at Tales of Graces F. Tales obviously belongs on Sony consoles. Now let's hope they bring them to the West too.

Problem is, Tales games do the worst on PlayStations outside Japan.  They pretty much all bombed on PS1/PS2/PSP here.

I've always said, Namco should be making each and every Tales game multiplatform to really maximize their audience.  That way you hit the PS audience inside Japan (where the series tends to sell best) and the Nintendo audience outside Japan (where the series tends to sell best).  Abyss not releasing on GameCube, when Symphonia did a whopping 500k plus on the system in the US alone, was one of Namco's stupider decisions in recent memory... 

This gen is obviously different. Look at Tales of Symphonia 2. I'm pretty sure a Tales of game would sell better on the PS3 in the west. I mean even Disgaea 3 nearly sold more :/



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noname2200 on 09 December 2010
KillerMan said:
noname2200 said:

Japan's video game market has shrunk dramatically since the last generation.

Only if you ignore handhelds.

No, even with handhelds included.  The additional revenue that comes from having a second viable handheld is not enough to make up for the extremely lackluster console performance, especially since handhelds and their games traditionally cost less at retail than their console counterparts.



KillerMan on 09 December 2010
noname2200 said:
KillerMan said:
noname2200 said:

Japan's video game market has shrunk dramatically since the last generation.

Only if you ignore handhelds.

No, even with handhelds included.  The additional revenue that comes from having a second viable handheld is not enough to make up for the extremely lackluster console performance, especially since handhelds and their games traditionally cost less at retail than their console counterparts.

Last gen total hw: 44.2 million (PS2, GC, Xbox, GBA)

This gen hw so far: 65.4 million (PS3, Wii, DS, PSP, X360)

Software wise DS has beaten PS2 sw record and PSP, Wii , PS3, X360 have probably sold already lot more sw than GC, Xbox ,GBA as they have a lot bigger hw installbase. Not to mention that this gen is still on going.



jarrod on 09 December 2010
Boutros said:
jarrod said:
huaxiong90 said:

Also, lmao at Tales of Graces F. Tales obviously belongs on Sony consoles. Now let's hope they bring them to the West too.

Problem is, Tales games do the worst on PlayStations outside Japan.  They pretty much all bombed on PS1/PS2/PSP here.

I've always said, Namco should be making each and every Tales game multiplatform to really maximize their audience.  That way you hit the PS audience inside Japan (where the series tends to sell best) and the Nintendo audience outside Japan (where the series tends to sell best).  Abyss not releasing on GameCube, when Symphonia did a whopping 500k plus on the system in the US alone, was one of Namco's stupider decisions in recent memory... 

This gen is obviously different. Look at Tales of Symphonia 2. I'm pretty sure a Tales of game would sell better on the PS3 in the west. I mean even Disgaea 3 nearly sold more :/

ToS2 was an ultra low budget spinoff, supposedly pretty shitty, and yet it still sold nearly 200k US.  It actually sold on par with Vesperia 360 (which was far higher budget/quality), and both sold better than every PS1/PS2/PSP Tales game has in America.

I'm not convinced PS3 has a better audience for Tales games than PS2 did either.  You bring up Disgaea, but that series sold better on PS2 even... I'm not sure why you'd think it'd be the opposite for Tales exactly?  Has *any* RPG series sold better on PS3 than they did on PS2?  



jarrod on 09 December 2010
huaxiong90 said:
jarrod said:
huaxiong90 said:

Also, lmao at Tales of Graces F. Tales obviously belongs on Sony consoles. Now let's hope they bring them to the West too.

Problem is, Tales games do the worst on PlayStations outside Japan.  They pretty much all bombed on PS1/PS2/PSP here.

I've always said, Namco should be making each and every Tales game multiplatform to really maximize their audience.  That way you hit the PS audience inside Japan (where the series tends to sell best) and the Nintendo audience outside Japan (where the series tends to sell best).  Abyss not releasing on GameCube, when Symphonia did a whopping 500k plus on the system in the US alone, was one of Namco's stupider decisions in recent memory... 

Oh, no doubt (regarding Abyss and Symphonia). But looking at the recent figures of Tales...we need a Western PS3 release before it's absolute. But looking at the trends so far, it's looking that way.

I didn't mean to come off as a douche with my last comment (as in I'm saying "other consoles don't deserve to have Tales"), but it really seems like the Tales fanbase is now on PS3.

I think in Japan, it's unquestionably on PS3/PSP (where the games can sell upwards of 300k), and not 360/Wii/DS (where the games all sold between 200-250k).  It'll be interesting to see how the early Abyss 3DS port does, and if Namco can build up an audience there.



Boutros on 09 December 2010
jarrod said:
Boutros said:
jarrod said:
huaxiong90 said:

Also, lmao at Tales of Graces F. Tales obviously belongs on Sony consoles. Now let's hope they bring them to the West too.

Problem is, Tales games do the worst on PlayStations outside Japan.  They pretty much all bombed on PS1/PS2/PSP here.

I've always said, Namco should be making each and every Tales game multiplatform to really maximize their audience.  That way you hit the PS audience inside Japan (where the series tends to sell best) and the Nintendo audience outside Japan (where the series tends to sell best).  Abyss not releasing on GameCube, when Symphonia did a whopping 500k plus on the system in the US alone, was one of Namco's stupider decisions in recent memory... 

This gen is obviously different. Look at Tales of Symphonia 2. I'm pretty sure a Tales of game would sell better on the PS3 in the west. I mean even Disgaea 3 nearly sold more :/

ToS2 was an ultra low budget spinoff, supposedly pretty shitty, and yet it still sold nearly 200k US.  It actually sold on par with Vesperia 360 (which was far higher budget/quality), and both sold better than every PS1/PS2/PSP Tales game has in America.

I'm not convinced PS3 has a better audience for Tales games than PS2 did either.  You bring up Disgaea, but that series sold better on PS2 even... I'm not sure why you'd think it'd be the opposite for Tales exactly?  Has *any* RPG series sold better on PS3 than they did on PS2?  

The Atelier series seems like it's stronger on the PS3.