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Forums - Sales - 2011 to be 360's peak year?

If Kinect's sales are any indication of what future Kinect sales are then 2011 can easily beat 2010 if you throw in a price drop again, or the elimination of the arcade being replaced by an elite for $199, though I doubt MS would do that - they would probably just igve the Arcade a 60 gig hard drive and increase the elite HD size. MS is going to get back their half a billion in advertising if the rumors are true that it only costs them $40 to make a Kinect so I can see some nice long term profit and the continuation of massive 360 sales. I just wonder how long MS will push for sales before considering the next Xbox as the system has already been on the market for five years.



It's just that simple.

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uh.... huh? 13 mil is too high dood.



In my opinion, the 360 has already peaked.. and it's going to be mostly PS3 from here on out.

PS3 upcoming exclusives 2011/TBA:

-Uncharted 3

-Killzone 3

-Resistance 3

-Infamous 2

-Twisted Metal

-Ratchet and Clank All for One

-Socom 4

-Yakuza 4

-Littlebigplanet 2

-Final Fantasy Versus XIII

-Sorcery

-The Last Guardian

-Starhawk

-Agent

-White Knight Chronicles 2

-Disgaea 4

-Motorstorm Apocalypse

-PS Move Heroes

-Free Realms

..and Mass Effect 2

Then,  PS360 multiplat:

-Dead Space 2

-Portal 2

-Marvel vs Capcom 3

-Dragon Age 2

-Crysis 2

-F.3.A.R.

-The Witcher 2

-Deus Ex 3

-Thief 4

-DC Universe

-Max Payne3

-Batman:  Arkham City

 

 



infinitezer0 said:

In my opinion, the 360 has already peaked.. and it's going to be mostly PS3 from here on out.

PS3 upcoming exclusives 2011/TBA:

-Uncharted 3

-Killzone 3

-Resistance 3

-Infamous 2

-Twisted Metal

-Ratchet and Clank All for One

-Socom 4

-Yakuza 4

-Littlebigplanet 2

-Final Fantasy Versus XIII

-Sorcery

-The Last Guardian

-Starhawk

-Agent

-White Knight Chronicles 2

-Disgaea 4

-Motorstorm Apocalypse

-PS Move Heroes

-Free Realms

..and Mass Effect 2

Then,  PS360 multiplat:

-Dead Space 2

-Portal 2

-Marvel vs Capcom 3

-Dragon Age 2

-Crysis 2

-F.3.A.R.

-The Witcher 2

-Deus Ex 3

-Thief 4

-DC Universe

-Max Payne3

-Batman:  Arkham City

 

 

How's ME2 exclusive when it's out for PC and 360 atm? =P



lol yeah, I know.. I just put it there bc its coming out exclusively next year for ps3



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I don't think it is, I think 2010 was/is, the 360 is one year older than the other two and priced really low already. Its brought out absolutely all of the big guns and this is as good as it gets, I think.



infinitezer0 said:

In my opinion, the 360 has already peaked.. and it's going to be mostly PS3 from here on out.

PS3 upcoming exclusives 2011/TBA:

-Uncharted 3

-Killzone 3

-Resistance 3

-Infamous 2

-Twisted Metal

-Ratchet and Clank All for One

-Socom 4

-Yakuza 4

-Littlebigplanet 2

-Final Fantasy Versus XIII

-Sorcery

-The Last Guardian

-Starhawk

-Agent

-White Knight Chronicles 2

-Disgaea 4

-Motorstorm Apocalypse

-PS Move Heroes

-Free Realms

..and Mass Effect 2

Then,  PS360 multiplat:

-Dead Space 2

-Portal 2

-Marvel vs Capcom 3

-Dragon Age 2

-Crysis 2

-F.3.A.R.

-The Witcher 2

-Deus Ex 3

-Thief 4

-DC Universe

-Max Payne3

-Batman:  Arkham City

 

 


Yes sure, then, some of those game won't come out (eg last guardian), some won't come out and will also become multiplatform (eg final fantasy versus 13) and some will sell like crap. You could add the sales of all those exclusive ps3 games by the end of 2011 and you will not be able to match gear of war 3 and the next call of duty, let alone the other 360's games. Games won't push PS3 over 360, too much multiplatform games, the cheaper console will always have the upper hand, beside now there is kinect. Next year we'll be having another topic like this one.



That really depends on the flow of Kinect releases. If Kinect gets a lot of support it will still push many systems next Christmas season. If it doesn't it won't push a lot of hardware.

One important thing to consider is that we'll get new handhelds in 2011 so publishers will put more resources into the handheld market again after focusing on home consoles for the last two years or so.

With all consoles being on the market for 4 full years now and both the Playstation 3 and Xbox 360 having had their redesigns already (which pushed hardware a lot in both cases) I wouldn't expect hardware sales for any home console to increase in 2011.

Sony and Microsoft both will have to focus on increasing profits considering they've lost a huge amount of money during the last years and if they don't post profits now their business decisions for their next consoles could be limited. Losing billions of dollars and then going out to your investors and say "and now we'll just do that again!" doesn't sound like a good idea to me. Actually the Playstation 3 was still one the worst business decisions I've ever watched a company make from a financial standpoint. And I wouldn't expect Nintendo to drop the price to less than 150$. More than a 50$ price cut for any console doesn't sound realistic.

Considering these things and the fact that Nintendo seems unwilling to put any kind of effort into pushing the Wii besides bundles (Redesign? Price drop? 10 million sellers like Nintendogs for Wii? Tomodatchi Collection Wii? Super Mario Bros. Wii 2? Bundling Wii Sports Resort with the console in Japan?) I'd generally expect sales to drop from this year or maybe stay flat. But who knows, maybe Nintendo will go all out next year after focusing resources on the 3D in 2010. They definitely have enough options left.

One thing to remember is that just looking at current sales to judge the future selling potential of any console is quite stupid. Whenever we've seen a full month of either high or low sales for any consoles people always jump to conclusions and claim this is what the console will sell for the rest of its lifetime."Console X has sold extremely well / bad over the last 5 weeks therefore it will sell great / bad forever!"

In terms of sales potential and options left to increase demand (price cut / redesign / colours) the Wii still looks best out of all 3 consoles. We can't judge the potential sales of the Wii by looking at the first 10 months of 2010 because the console really didn't get any kind of support besides Mario Galaxy 2 and that was the 3rd Mario game on the Wii and the second 3D Mario so it didn't push hardware. Now, with a steady flow of releases the Wii is selling extremely well again.

In terms of actions taken to increase demand (i. e. fully realising the sales potential of the respective console) I expect Microsoft and Sony to at least match Nintendo by reducing prices (not by 100$ though) and pushing Kinect and Move. But again: Nintendo could potentially put some of its resources into the Wii again after having to focus on the 3DS this year (developing the hardware and software - next year they'll just have to focus on software and with the 3rd party support the 3DS is getting Nintendo shouldn't struggle to keep sales high). Especially a redesigned Wii would make sense and could push millions of additional systems.

So basically sales should be either flat or down for each console. Something like this:

12 - 17 million Wii (high sales potential but weak "support" by Nintendo)

9 - 13 million Xbox360 (not going to be down by more than 30%. Up only if Kinect gets very good support)

9 - 13 million Playstation 3 (again not down by more than 30%. Up only if Move big Price cut)

We could see all consoles selling less than 15 million units next year.

Edit: Just to make this clear, the higher numbers only apply in case a company pushes the system a lot. For instance the Wii has a high sales potential but going by how hard each company pushed their console in 2010 the Wii would come out at the lower end of the prediction and the HD consoles at the higher end if things don't change in 2011.



i don't think the xbox will have a new peak year the next year there will not be kinnect and  halo and another xbox  slim to boost the xbox and the number of exclusive  for xbox was little

but i think 2011 will be the peak year of ps3

final fantasy versus will push 100k ps3

uncharted 3  will push 50k systhem

killzone 3 and  infamous 30k systhem

and the rest of exclusive togheter will push 200 k

sony need only a price cut to achive that goal



PS4 - over 100 millions let's say 120m
Xbox One - 70m
Wii U - 25m

Vita - 15m if it will not get Final Fantasy Kingdoms Heart and Monster Hunter 20m otherwise
3DS - 80m

small44 said:

i don't think the xbox will have a new peak year the next year there will not be kinnect and  halo and another xbox  slim to boost the xbox and the number of exclusive  for xbox was little

but i think 2011 will be the peak year of ps3

final fantasy versus will push 100k ps3

uncharted 3  will push 50k systhem

killzone 3 and  infamous 30k systhem

and the rest of exclusive togheter will push 200 k

sony need only a price cut to achive that goal

Those are all sequels to games already released on the system, though.

Last year Sony had the combination of a 100$ price-drop (and a price drop to less than 250$ in 2011 doesn't sound realistic, really), a redesigned console and Final Fantasy in Japan. This year they have Move.

I doubt a number of sequels is enough to push the console above this year's numbers, really.