It all depends on the console/game combination.For example : GameBoy/Tetris & Wii/WiiSports should count, because those combinations were one of the main reasons for the following success of the hardware itself. Unlike most 360 budles(Kameo etc.),which in my opinion never really affected hardware sales.In other words : Wii sales would never be where they are now without WiiSports.XboX360 sales even without any gamebundles would be nearly the same as they are now.

Atleast when Nintendo decides to bundle they do so with a good game-
If Microsoft does not stop this Forza/Marvel garbage soon we might have to look at them high up on the greatest sellers list... At least Wii sport actually has some relation to the sale of the console(most People want it) nobody would be buying those 2.

It's at number 10 if you order by Others...

 You lost me right about here. The game is ridiculously good for what it is. I have sold the Wii to at least 4 of my friends who do not game after 5 minutes of Wii Tennis. The other arguement for it being included is the list of the top selling games ever. Almost all of them were bundled, so you need to keep it to be consistent. It is either that, or use the attach rate from Japan to try and guess how many copies would be sold. That would unfairly favor the game because of the strong casual game market in Japan, but it is the closest thing to objective we have.

People who don't want to count bundles are just mad because Nintendo is the only company with great bundle ideas that sell through the roof, and the stratosphere, and the ionosphere, etc. etc...

Sorry but NO.

Your point of view might be valid in a subjective way. But the base of tie ratio and the concept of "units sold" is economical data. It's all about money spent. Revenue.

If you don't pay specifically for a game, (which isen't the case in bundles), then there is no reason to include it. In a count. How can you put on the same level the Wiisport included in the Wii (US & EU) and the Wiisport sold in japan. They do not generate the same revenues (and same goes for the Forza/MUA/Motorstorm things).

If it was a matter of "how much ppl liked the game", then you would be right, and I would even go further : you would have to take in account the second hand market to get accurate picture of the "most loved games".

But that's not what "units SOLD" are about.

 Well I'll be damned, it's the truth.  Lock this thread.  fkusumot won this round.

I understand bundles should be adjusted or taken out of certain questions, for instance with attach ratio Wii sports should be adjusted to account for it (but not taken out entirely)

I am not sure what the original poster thinks about what the top ten list means..... but it is clear you, and other posters, think it is something that it isn't...... it is just a list of the top ten most owned/purchased games, and has nothing to do with which of the consumers would have bought the game despite the bundle or whatever.
If that many people own the game, then it should be on that list because it is not about whether games are bundled or not..... the game is in fact SOLD irrespective of whether the consumer had a choice in the matter.

Please, no more arguments about bundles in the million sellers list, because that has absolutely NOTHING to do with it.

gahhh! i think i have ranted about this in 2 or 3 differnet threads... however a new point i have just thought of is what about store bundles when supply is limited like the Wii currently, here in the UK you would be incredibly lucky to find a Wii in a store without it being £400 because they pack 6 games in with it, people are buying them because it is the best way to get a Wii, yet i would guess few of them want any of the awful games that come with it.

Also i believe i predicted a long time ago (in one of, if not the first threads to be made about the top million sellers list) that Nintendogs would be the first to enter the top ten, but would be pushed out again by Wii sports, and finally entering the top ten again when it passes The Sims

if it were strictly about revenue then should we readjust all game sales into fractions of a unit when, as they get older, they sell for a lower price?  Should all handheld games only count as a fraction of a game since they are always cheaper than consols?  hellz no.

bundled or no money is being made, how that money is distributed between consol/game is a moot point,  the customer has the game.  how much revenue the game made is a moot point, not all games sell for the same anyways.