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Booh! on 30 November 2010
nightsurge said:
Booh! said:
nightsurge said:
OntheEdgeofthemirror said:
nightsurge said:
You are misunderstanding again.  The percentage of error would ONLY be on the small amount of untrackable locations.  That means out of 2.5 million, only a small portion would have to be estimated, and only of that small portion would the margin of error apply, making it meaningless and would not dilute the overall numbers at all.

 

Do you have any proof of any of that, so far you have no proof MS even has a tracking system, and no proof it has any reliability if it does, everything you say is an assumption based on something which isn't even clearly stated, nowhere in the article does it say the 2.5 is sold to consumers, nowhere does it say MS tracked it, nowhere does it say where they are even getting their numbers from and yet you want to take it at less then face value (since they didn't even clearly say it was sold to consumers)

Goodness. The ENTIRE article is focused around sales to consumers.  Do you really need it spelled out to you?

"We are thrilled about the consumer response to Kinect"

"With sales already exceeding two and a half million units in just 25 days, we are on pace to reach our forecast of 5 million units sold to consumers this holiday."

Combine these with their statement after 10 days which was sold to consumers, and Aaron Greenberg's confirmations.

You are arguing with me about proof when you can provide no proof to the contrary...

That's just PR spreading confusion. Let's take the report from Nintendo: "Nintendo sold 900,000 combined units in the Nintendo DS™ family of systems and 600,000 Wii™ consoles between Sunday, Nov. 21, and Saturday, Nov. 27, according to the company’s internal sales estimates."

It's clear, readable, you cannot spin it, it says "we sold that much to consumers according to our company estimates". On the other hand MS report is just a bad advertisement, it doen't explain anything.

It didn't say sold to consumers anywhere in what you quoted...

It' obvious, you don't need sales estimates for shipped numbers. Nintendo is very clear, when they say sales they mean sales to consumers, when the say shipments, they mean... well... shipments.



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OntheEdgeofthemirror on 30 November 2010
Booh! said:
nightsurge said:
OntheEdgeofthemirror said:
nightsurge said:
You are misunderstanding again.  The percentage of error would ONLY be on the small amount of untrackable locations.  That means out of 2.5 million, only a small portion would have to be estimated, and only of that small portion would the margin of error apply, making it meaningless and would not dilute the overall numbers at all.

 

Do you have any proof of any of that, so far you have no proof MS even has a tracking system, and no proof it has any reliability if it does, everything you say is an assumption based on something which isn't even clearly stated, nowhere in the article does it say the 2.5 is sold to consumers, nowhere does it say MS tracked it, nowhere does it say where they are even getting their numbers from and yet you want to take it at less then face value (since they didn't even clearly say it was sold to consumers)

Goodness. The ENTIRE article is focused around sales to consumers.  Do you really need it spelled out to you?

"We are thrilled about the consumer response to Kinect"

"With sales already exceeding two and a half million units in just 25 days, we are on pace to reach our forecast of 5 million units sold to consumers this holiday."

Combine these with their statement after 10 days which was sold to consumers, and Aaron Greenberg's confirmations.

You are arguing with me about proof when you can provide no proof to the contrary...

That's just PR spreading confusion. Let's take the report from Nintendo: "Nintendo sold 900,000 combined units in the Nintendo DS™ family of systems and 600,000 Wii™ consoles between Sunday, Nov. 21, and Saturday, Nov. 27, according to the company’s internal sales estimates."

It's clear, readable, you cannot spin it, it says "we sold that much to consumers according to our company estimates". On the other hand MS report is just a bad advertisement, it doen't explain anything.

Thank you



nightsurge on 30 November 2010
Booh! said:
nightsurge said:
Booh! said:
nightsurge said:
OntheEdgeofthemirror said:
nightsurge said:
You are misunderstanding again.  The percentage of error would ONLY be on the small amount of untrackable locations.  That means out of 2.5 million, only a small portion would have to be estimated, and only of that small portion would the margin of error apply, making it meaningless and would not dilute the overall numbers at all.

 

Do you have any proof of any of that, so far you have no proof MS even has a tracking system, and no proof it has any reliability if it does, everything you say is an assumption based on something which isn't even clearly stated, nowhere in the article does it say the 2.5 is sold to consumers, nowhere does it say MS tracked it, nowhere does it say where they are even getting their numbers from and yet you want to take it at less then face value (since they didn't even clearly say it was sold to consumers)

Goodness. The ENTIRE article is focused around sales to consumers.  Do you really need it spelled out to you?

"We are thrilled about the consumer response to Kinect"

"With sales already exceeding two and a half million units in just 25 days, we are on pace to reach our forecast of 5 million units sold to consumers this holiday."

Combine these with their statement after 10 days which was sold to consumers, and Aaron Greenberg's confirmations.

You are arguing with me about proof when you can provide no proof to the contrary...

That's just PR spreading confusion. Let's take the report from Nintendo: "Nintendo sold 900,000 combined units in the Nintendo DS™ family of systems and 600,000 Wii™ consoles between Sunday, Nov. 21, and Saturday, Nov. 27, according to the company’s internal sales estimates."

It's clear, readable, you cannot spin it, it says "we sold that much to consumers according to our company estimates". On the other hand MS report is just a bad advertisement, it doen't explain anything.

It didn't say sold to consumers anywhere in what you quoted...

It' obvious, you don't need sales estimates for shipped numbers. Nintendo is very clear, when they say sales they mean sales to consumers, when the say shipments, they mean... well... shipments.

How is something obvious when it isn't stated?  That seems rather unclear to me.  Do you have other examples of them using "shipped" and "sales" to mean different things?

Just as I and the majority of others here seem to think MS's report was obvious in representing sold to consumers figures yet some here just have to nit pick and won't accept the evidence supplied to them.



OntheEdgeofthemirror on 30 November 2010
nightsurge said:
OntheEdgeofthemirror said:
nightsurge said:
OntheEdgeofthemirror said:
nightsurge said:
OntheEdgeofthemirror said:
nightsurge said:
You are misunderstanding again.  The percentage of error would ONLY be on the small amount of untrackable locations.  That means out of 2.5 million, only a small portion would have to be estimated, and only of that small portion would the margin of error apply, making it meaningless and would not dilute the overall numbers at all.

 

Do you have any proof of any of that, so far you have no proof MS even has a tracking system, and no proof it has any reliability if it does, everything you say is an assumption based on something which isn't even clearly stated, nowhere in the article does it say the 2.5 is sold to consumers, nowhere does it say MS tracked it, nowhere does it say where they are even getting their numbers from and yet you want to take it at less then face value (since they didn't even clearly say it was sold to consumers)

Goodness. The ENTIRE article is focused around sales to consumers.  Do you really need it spelled out to you?

"We are thrilled about the consumer response to Kinect"

"With sales already exceeding two and a half million units in just 25 days, we are on pace to reach our forecast of 5 million units sold to consumers this holiday."

Combine these with their statement after 10 days which was sold to consumers, and Aaron Greenberg's confirmations.

You are arguing with me about proof when you can provide no proof to the contrary...

lol thats your argument, thats your point, thats it, making it misleading like that without actually saying it is the perfect way to get people like you to think it's sold to consumers numbers without risking being caught in a lie, they don't actually say sold to consumers and I see no way how they could know how much is sold to consumers thats the bottom line where you just assume it's sold to consumers based on how it's worded 

Wow...

I give up.

It's sold to consumers.  They said it themselves, Aaron Greenberg confirmed it.  I'm repeating myself to someone who obviously refuses to believe it.

link? and again what method do they have to track consumer purchases, let me guess you think 360 was within industry standards when it launch right?

Already provided earlier in the thread or on other threads on here.

Also, any proof of Nintendo's tracking method yet?

Don't care nintendo sates they are estimates, MS doesn't even state if it's sold to consumers or retailers, and wasn't the twitter for the goal not the sale 



nightsurge on 30 November 2010
OntheEdgeofthemirror said:
nightsurge said:
OntheEdgeofthemirror said:
nightsurge said:
OntheEdgeofthemirror said:
nightsurge said:
OntheEdgeofthemirror said:
nightsurge said:
You are misunderstanding again.  The percentage of error would ONLY be on the small amount of untrackable locations.  That means out of 2.5 million, only a small portion would have to be estimated, and only of that small portion would the margin of error apply, making it meaningless and would not dilute the overall numbers at all.

 

Do you have any proof of any of that, so far you have no proof MS even has a tracking system, and no proof it has any reliability if it does, everything you say is an assumption based on something which isn't even clearly stated, nowhere in the article does it say the 2.5 is sold to consumers, nowhere does it say MS tracked it, nowhere does it say where they are even getting their numbers from and yet you want to take it at less then face value (since they didn't even clearly say it was sold to consumers)

Goodness. The ENTIRE article is focused around sales to consumers.  Do you really need it spelled out to you?

"We are thrilled about the consumer response to Kinect"

"With sales already exceeding two and a half million units in just 25 days, we are on pace to reach our forecast of 5 million units sold to consumers this holiday."

Combine these with their statement after 10 days which was sold to consumers, and Aaron Greenberg's confirmations.

You are arguing with me about proof when you can provide no proof to the contrary...

lol thats your argument, thats your point, thats it, making it misleading like that without actually saying it is the perfect way to get people like you to think it's sold to consumers numbers without risking being caught in a lie, they don't actually say sold to consumers and I see no way how they could know how much is sold to consumers thats the bottom line where you just assume it's sold to consumers based on how it's worded 

Wow...

I give up.

It's sold to consumers.  They said it themselves, Aaron Greenberg confirmed it.  I'm repeating myself to someone who obviously refuses to believe it.

link? and again what method do they have to track consumer purchases, let me guess you think 360 was within industry standards when it launch right?

Already provided earlier in the thread or on other threads on here.

Also, any proof of Nintendo's tracking method yet?

Don't care nintendo sates they are estimates, MS doesn't even state if it's sold to consumers or retailers, and wasn't the twitter for the goal not the sale 

No, the twitter was for the sales to consumers confirmation, not the goal.



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NotStan on 30 November 2010

Wow dude, reading the pyramids you have steadily ran out of excuses it seems. Just drop it already, how can you know for sure as to whether a company has a tracking service or not? Maybe LIVE activity is used to estimate the amount of people who are connected to live and are playing the Kinect compatible games and the additional numbers estimated? I don't know so I cannot comment, I really do not see your side of the argument and the whole "Kinect is just a fancy PSeye" was a sufficient enough comment to outline why you are arguing in the first place.

You just hate for another company to glean success every once in a while.



Disconnect and self destruct, one bullet a time.

OntheEdgeofthemirror on 30 November 2010
nightsurge said:
OntheEdgeofthemirror said:
nightsurge said:
OntheEdgeofthemirror said:
nightsurge said:
OntheEdgeofthemirror said:
nightsurge said:
OntheEdgeofthemirror said:
nightsurge said:
You are misunderstanding again.  The percentage of error would ONLY be on the small amount of untrackable locations.  That means out of 2.5 million, only a small portion would have to be estimated, and only of that small portion would the margin of error apply, making it meaningless and would not dilute the overall numbers at all.

 

Do you have any proof of any of that, so far you have no proof MS even has a tracking system, and no proof it has any reliability if it does, everything you say is an assumption based on something which isn't even clearly stated, nowhere in the article does it say the 2.5 is sold to consumers, nowhere does it say MS tracked it, nowhere does it say where they are even getting their numbers from and yet you want to take it at less then face value (since they didn't even clearly say it was sold to consumers)

Goodness. The ENTIRE article is focused around sales to consumers.  Do you really need it spelled out to you?

"We are thrilled about the consumer response to Kinect"

"With sales already exceeding two and a half million units in just 25 days, we are on pace to reach our forecast of 5 million units sold to consumers this holiday."

Combine these with their statement after 10 days which was sold to consumers, and Aaron Greenberg's confirmations.

You are arguing with me about proof when you can provide no proof to the contrary...

lol thats your argument, thats your point, thats it, making it misleading like that without actually saying it is the perfect way to get people like you to think it's sold to consumers numbers without risking being caught in a lie, they don't actually say sold to consumers and I see no way how they could know how much is sold to consumers thats the bottom line where you just assume it's sold to consumers based on how it's worded 

Wow...

I give up.

It's sold to consumers.  They said it themselves, Aaron Greenberg confirmed it.  I'm repeating myself to someone who obviously refuses to believe it.

link? and again what method do they have to track consumer purchases, let me guess you think 360 was within industry standards when it launch right?

Already provided earlier in the thread or on other threads on here.

Also, any proof of Nintendo's tracking method yet?

Don't care nintendo sates they are estimates, MS doesn't even state if it's sold to consumers or retailers, and wasn't the twitter for the goal not the sale 

No, the twitter was for the sales to consumers confirmation, not the goal.

Where does it say that?



nightsurge on 30 November 2010
OntheEdgeofthemirror said:
nightsurge said:
OntheEdgeofthemirror said:
nightsurge said:
OntheEdgeofthemirror said:
nightsurge said:
OntheEdgeofthemirror said:
nightsurge said:
OntheEdgeofthemirror said:
nightsurge said:
You are misunderstanding again.  The percentage of error would ONLY be on the small amount of untrackable locations.  That means out of 2.5 million, only a small portion would have to be estimated, and only of that small portion would the margin of error apply, making it meaningless and would not dilute the overall numbers at all.

 

Do you have any proof of any of that, so far you have no proof MS even has a tracking system, and no proof it has any reliability if it does, everything you say is an assumption based on something which isn't even clearly stated, nowhere in the article does it say the 2.5 is sold to consumers, nowhere does it say MS tracked it, nowhere does it say where they are even getting their numbers from and yet you want to take it at less then face value (since they didn't even clearly say it was sold to consumers)

Goodness. The ENTIRE article is focused around sales to consumers.  Do you really need it spelled out to you?

"We are thrilled about the consumer response to Kinect"

"With sales already exceeding two and a half million units in just 25 days, we are on pace to reach our forecast of 5 million units sold to consumers this holiday."

Combine these with their statement after 10 days which was sold to consumers, and Aaron Greenberg's confirmations.

You are arguing with me about proof when you can provide no proof to the contrary...

lol thats your argument, thats your point, thats it, making it misleading like that without actually saying it is the perfect way to get people like you to think it's sold to consumers numbers without risking being caught in a lie, they don't actually say sold to consumers and I see no way how they could know how much is sold to consumers thats the bottom line where you just assume it's sold to consumers based on how it's worded 

Wow...

I give up.

It's sold to consumers.  They said it themselves, Aaron Greenberg confirmed it.  I'm repeating myself to someone who obviously refuses to believe it.

link? and again what method do they have to track consumer purchases, let me guess you think 360 was within industry standards when it launch right?

Already provided earlier in the thread or on other threads on here.

Also, any proof of Nintendo's tracking method yet?

Don't care nintendo sates they are estimates, MS doesn't even state if it's sold to consumers or retailers, and wasn't the twitter for the goal not the sale 

No, the twitter was for the sales to consumers confirmation, not the goal.

Where does it say that?

In the Twitter.



OntheEdgeofthemirror on 30 November 2010
nightsurge said:
OntheEdgeofthemirror said:

Where does it say that?

In the Twitter.

Twitter doesn't specify if it's the goal or the sold number that is to consumers 



PsicloneX on 30 November 2010

there are 2 blind haters in this thread,no need to look to hard they stick out like sore thumbs.give it a rest your bs is evident lol.

and also  you missed my point kinect is kinectting with the peeps them who have never play games b4 and also with those who believe it or not were intimidated but the xyx,circle,square,x buttons



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