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do you agree with the new TSA security measures?

yes 24 25.26%
 
no 47 49.47%
 
don't care 11 11.58%
 
another great thread,from... 1 1.05%
 
it's all overblown 2 2.11%
 
the should use different tactics 9 9.47%
 
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twesterm on 22 November 2010
rocketpig said:
twesterm said:
 


If it were something as rediculous as if you had to submit to a body scan  to shop at Wal-Mart, I would agree, that's rediculous and not needed but when you fly, you're flying on something that can easily become an extremely dangerous weapon.

If I have to choose between being that much safer or you having to deal with body issues, I'm going to choose being that much safer every time.

Luckily boats and buses while they could be dangerous (OMG Speed!) aren't nearly as dangerous as planes and I agree, putting a full body scanner on a bus would be stupid.  That simply isn't needed and there are better ways to be secure.  For planes though, with people actively trying to turn them into massive weapons, we have to do something.

Planes were used as a weapon once. Once.

It's high time we realize that and deal with it realistically instead of treating the general public as if they're criminals.

Personally, I hope lawsuit after lawsuit starts piling up against the TSA until they remove this asinine policy. There are horror stories emerging left and right of agents reaching down girls' pants, being excessively invasive, or attempting to save these body scan images.

I know that when I fly in three days, I'm opting out of that fucking scanner.


So how many times do planes have to be used as weapons before we decide something like that is a good idea?  I would think preventing those situations as best as possible before they happen is the better solution.

Flying is a pain in the ass, nobody denies that, but a plain being hijacked, destroyed mid-air, or flown into something are all equally possible and all something that could happen.  Having full body scans won't completely eradicate the problem, but it can always help.

And like I said, I went to Vegas last weekend and didn't have any problems with security at the DFW or Vegas airports (even flew on busy days!).  I didn't notice people getting patted down and if I was fully body scanned I sure didn't notice.

Though I do agree, there should be an auto delete function and probably only be able to save/export the image with the authority of a manager or someone with authority.  That is an easy fix though and shouldn't be something someone should call for the whole system to be dismantled for.

Whatever the case, I'm sure I won't change your mind and you're not going to change my mind so I'm probably just going to leave it here unless I see something particularly interesting.  Not that going back and forth saying the same thing isn't fun, but...



 

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SamuelRSmith on 22 November 2010
alekth said:

Why are planes originating in the US such a concern anyway? It doesn't take a plane to transport a bomb or weapons in the US, it doesn't take a plane to have a lot of people at one place (hey, it's Black Friday in a few days).

The only really happy with the process people are probably random pervs in the TSA and that Chernoff guy, who has by now no doubt made his millions.


Planes feature more frequently in terrorist attacks due to the high level of tension surrounding flying. The threat of terrorism adds the fear. Of course, that's not to say attacks don't happen elsewhere, it's just that people haven't already got worries about going shopping on black Friday, going to an NFL game, or jumping on a bus/train.



damkira on 22 November 2010

No, I think they're invasive but I also think its wrong for people to be taking out their anger and frustration on TSA agents. Do you really think the TSA agents enjoy groping people? Let me tell you, the majority of Americans are very overweight and I don't know about you... but I would absolutely hate to invade somebodys privacy like that.



Gnizmo on 22 November 2010

Question for the people advocating all these measures. Wjat stops say a dozen terrorist from arming themselves to the teeth, driving a van screaming up to the airport, and then just shooting their way to the first airplane and forcing it to take off? The security certainly isn't near strong enough to stop this, and they could do as much damage as any other method of plane hijacking, if not more.



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twesterm on 22 November 2010
Gnizmo said:

Question for the people advocating all these measures. Wjat stops say a dozen terrorist from arming themselves to the teeth, driving a van screaming up to the airport, and then just shooting their way to the first airplane and forcing it to take off? The security certainly isn't near strong enough to stop this, and they could do as much damage as any other method of plane hijacking, if not more.

Not much, just like there isn't much stopping them from kicking down your door and killing your family or walking into a large building the World Trade Center and destroying the base of it.

There will never be a definitive way to stop all terrorist attacks but that doesn't mean we should just not try to be as proactive as we can be.



 

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SamuelRSmith on 22 November 2010
Gnizmo said:

Question for the people advocating all these measures. Wjat stops say a dozen terrorist from arming themselves to the teeth, driving a van screaming up to the airport, and then just shooting their way to the first airplane and forcing it to take off? The security certainly isn't near strong enough to stop this, and they could do as much damage as any other method of plane hijacking, if not more.


I think the fact that it doesn't have a very high chance of being successful is what is preventing this from happening.



Gnizmo on 22 November 2010
SamuelRSmith said:


I think the fact that it doesn't have a very high chance of being successful is what is preventing this from happening.


Have you seen the security at airports in the USA? I have. A fully armed dozen people out for blood would make it through fine. Especially with a handy number of body shields running around panicked out of their mind. Keep in mind that people keeping the peace would have to care a great deal about civilian casualties.

@Twesterm
That is an evasion, not an answer. There is an actual point to the question. The only answer I have come up with is that there just aren't enough in one spot in USA to make such an attack viable. I will gladly entertain other thoughts though.



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twesterm on 22 November 2010
Gnizmo said:
SamuelRSmith said:


I think the fact that it doesn't have a very high chance of being successful is what is preventing this from happening.


Have you seen the security at airports in the USA? I have. A fully armed dozen people out for blood would make it through fine. Especially with a handy number of body shields running around panicked out of their mind. Keep in mind that people keeping the peace would have to care a great deal about civilian casualties.

@Twesterm
That is an evasion, not an answer. There is an actual point to the question. The only answer I have come up with is that there just aren't enough in one spot in USA to make such an attack viable. I will gladly entertain other thoughts though.

Wait, I'm confused.  Are you saying your own what if scenario couldn't happen?



 

mhsillen on 22 November 2010

F..k no

TSA Jackbooters humiliate older gentleman by breaking colostamy bag

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40291856/ns/travel-news

More bullshit

http://www.abcactionnews.com/dpp/news/region_pasco/new_port_richey/woman-on-tsa-pat-downs:-'i-feel-molested'-

Israel hasn't had an attack in years, they use a form of profiling.

Its a-ok to humiliate a 60 year old cancer surviver by dumping piss on him but don't humiliate another group.



mhsillen on 22 November 2010
Cobretti2 said:

well

http://www.news.com.au/travel/news/airport-pat-down-leaves-traveller-covered-in-urine/story-e6frfq80-1225958372649

 

this says it all really.



oh sorry you posted the story already 

That does say it all