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Vetteman94 said:

But scum arent the only people who bandwagon vote. A pro-town person may just tack on another vote for someone just because there isnt any other good suspects and what little evidence is had points in that direction. It happens in games like this all the time due to the limitation of roles that provide information to the town. 

As for your chart, you are also assuming there is no SK, and for a game this size I would bet on it, which means on some nights we may have 2 kills.  And that completely throws off the chart. cause if we have 2 kills on the first night,  the town loses a half a day under those same circumstances.  And thats only if he kills on the first night and no other night.  

Also irregardless is not a word,  its just regardless

irregardless of SK, it is also considering we can't lynch a mafia worth a damn, and it also would help us to have an SK because chances of hitting mafia within those days gets better and better and SK wants to kill mafia as much as we do.

Also, irregardless of your first point, we have no more information on day 2 than we do on day 1m except for the cops investigation which won't turn up til days later anyhow.



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theprof00 said:
Final-Fan said:

So we throw someone under the bus and just hope they're scum? 

Vote:  GodOfWar_3ever



That's actually not what you do.

Since I'd consider bandwagoning more accurate a tell than a random shot in the dark....

vote final-fan

You do realize that for a lynch to be made there HAS TO BE some bandwagoning at some point right?



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TruckOSaurus said:
theprof00 said:
Final-Fan said:

So we throw someone under the bus and just hope they're scum? 

Vote:  GodOfWar_3ever



That's actually not what you do.

Since I'd consider bandwagoning more accurate a tell than a random shot in the dark....

vote final-fan

You do realize that for a lynch to be made there HAS TO BE some bandwagoning at some point right?

I don't know about you, but I'd rather not lynch based on a shot in the dark, or at least what I'm sure you will argue against, flimsy evidence.

Additionally, bandwagoning for the sake of a random lynch is a bit different than bandwagoning because you believe they are scum.

Don't get so worked up about it. It's one vote. If you guys want to vote gow I can't stop you. I'm just not going to bandwagon when it's been made clear to mafia that it's safe to bandwagon. That makes me think that mafia are going to be a little looser with their voting.

Either way, it's still ends up being a completely evidence-free lynch, so there's really no problem, is there?



theprof00 said:
Vetteman94 said:

But scum arent the only people who bandwagon vote. A pro-town person may just tack on another vote for someone just because there isnt any other good suspects and what little evidence is had points in that direction. It happens in games like this all the time due to the limitation of roles that provide information to the town. 

As for your chart, you are also assuming there is no SK, and for a game this size I would bet on it, which means on some nights we may have 2 kills.  And that completely throws off the chart. cause if we have 2 kills on the first night,  the town loses a half a day under those same circumstances.  And thats only if he kills on the first night and no other night.  

Also irregardless is not a word,  its just regardless

irregardless of SK, it is also considering we can't lynch a mafia worth a damn, and it also would help us to have an SK because chances of hitting mafia within those days gets better and better and SK wants to kill mafia as much as we do.

Also, irregardless of your first point, we have no more information on day 2 than we do on day 1m except for the cops investigation which won't turn up til days later anyhow.

I wish I could understand your post,  it might have a good point in there somewhere. I guess until it is clarified I will just have to disagree, regardless of the points that may have been made.



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theprof00 said:
Final-Fan said:
So we throw someone under the bus and just hope they're scum? 
Vote:  GodOfWar_3ever

That's actually not what you do.
Since I'd consider bandwagoning more accurate a tell than a random shot in the dark....
vote final-fan

I'm not quite sure you've been paying attention. 



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Vetteman94 said:
theprof00 said:
Vetteman94 said:

But scum arent the only people who bandwagon vote. A pro-town person may just tack on another vote for someone just because there isnt any other good suspects and what little evidence is had points in that direction. It happens in games like this all the time due to the limitation of roles that provide information to the town. 

As for your chart, you are also assuming there is no SK, and for a game this size I would bet on it, which means on some nights we may have 2 kills.  And that completely throws off the chart. cause if we have 2 kills on the first night,  the town loses a half a day under those same circumstances.  And thats only if he kills on the first night and no other night.  

Also irregardless is not a word,  its just regardless

irregardless of SK, it is also considering we can't lynch a mafia worth a damn, and it also would help us to have an SK because chances of hitting mafia within those days gets better and better and SK wants to kill mafia as much as we do.

Also, irregardless of your first point, we have no more information on day 2 than we do on day 1m except for the cops investigation which won't turn up til days later anyhow.

I wish I could understand your post,  it might have a good point in there somewhere. I guess until it is clarified I will just have to disagree, regardless of the points that may have been made.

what needs to be clarified, exactly?

My list of how many days we would have before endgame was criticized using the existence of an SK as a disruptive factor.

However, what you failed to notice was that the chart also represents the worst possible scenario of lynching townies 5 days in a row. 
Additionally, if we were bad enough to somehow mislynch five times in a row, the SK would also mitigate some of that masochism because they have extremely high odds of killing mafia, not only because the SK wants to kill mafia, but also has a very high chance of randomly killing one (50% by the last night).

Townies bandwagon, mafia bandwagon, SK bandwagon. Day 1 is simply not a good prospect for basing any vote on anything. Therefore, I postulate that voting against a bandwagoner is just as viable as bandwagoning against a random player. End of story. 

 

Also FoS vette for not knowing that irregardless actually is a word and is used as a more emphatic version of regardless, and not a double negative according to scrabble and miriam webster.



Final-Fan said:
theprof00 said:
Final-Fan said:
So we throw someone under the bus and just hope they're scum? 
Vote:  GodOfWar_3ever

That's actually not what you do.
Since I'd consider bandwagoning more accurate a tell than a random shot in the dark....
vote final-fan

I'm not quite sure you've been paying attention. 

According to your post, you're a hypocrite. 



theprof00 said:
Final-Fan said:
theprof00 said:
Final-Fan said:
So we throw someone under the bus and just hope they're scum? 
Vote:  GodOfWar_3ever

That's actually not what you do.
Since I'd consider bandwagoning more accurate a tell than a random shot in the dark....
vote final-fan

I'm not quite sure you've been paying attention. 

According to your post, you're a hypocrite. 

Not really.  That would only be true if you interpret my post as
"Vote for someone?  OK, vote you."

But it could easily be a sarcastic vote: 
"Vote for someone?  Well then I'll vote for YOU, ho ho.  How about that?"

And what it actually  was was a sarcastic way of making a real vote, based on the aggressiveness which I FoSed him for earlier along with his channeling that aggressiveness into pushing for a lynch of someone, anyone.  Which I thought would be inferrable by anyone who paid attention to the exchange between me and him. 

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Guys, we don't have enough information yet for a lynch :s

Sure, we could randomly vote for somebody to get killed - but it's just under 80% chance that we'll hit one of our own, and if we hit a townie - it won't help us at all. At least if we get a mislynch tomorrow, we'll have more information to go on. The mafia want us to make a kill today, but we outnumber them - don't let them win.

Obviously, if the situation changes before the end of the day, I'll vote for someone - but as it currently stands:

vote: No Lynch

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