But if theres a wiiHD next year, that will effectively kill wii's sales. It perhaps wont even sell 100million.

Oi? Ive heard that before, oh right Ive been saying that before in these forums. thats why the wii is not guaranteed to win this generation since the xbox360 ps3 still have a few more years left in them.

Move has some advantages over the Wii Motion Plus but as many drawbacks as well (Move is very error-prone, needs a lot of space, lag, no fast pointer etc.)

you clearly have no idea about what you're talking about go...go do some reading into the matter and come back

That may be true, but stop taking criticism toward Sony so personally.

What were the VGC numbers for that time? Any adjustments?

hmm? I'm sorry but what are you going on about? What he said is just not true, I pointed it out. I wasn't angry, throwing a tantrum or going thru a meltdown...

I didn't take anything personally....unless you have a reason to believe so then stop spouting nonsense, it's a waste of my time

When a company sells you "insurance" on your X-Box 360, THAT company replaces the unit. Not Microsoft. So if you buy Black Tie Protection from Best Buy, THEY replace the unit. That counts as another sale, and if you can't understand that, I don't know what else to say.

I'm just gonna pretend I'm a Nintendo Fan-Boy and troll you. HAHAHA! NINTENDO SOLD MORE! They always will!

Since you don't understand intelligent discussion.

Microsoft doesn't HAVE to acknowledge that. Microsoft doesn't have to come out and give a press conference about how their numbers are inflated due to people getting replacement systems for RROD problems. They don't have to come out and admit their sold unit numbers are actually SHIPPED units, not sold units. They're just facts.

If you can't understand/believe or whatever, that's your problem as a Microsoft fanboy that doesn't want to admit it. The 360 did not, outsell the Wii. And the numbers of systems they have wouldn't be as high if they didn't have such a HUGE fail rate on the first 3 generations. Period.

And before anyone says anything about the sales figures being inflated by replaced systems, I can't prove that, it's something I remember happening back when the systems were just starting to get all the press. My understanding was they were replacing the systems, and the new system was getting a new serial number, and they'd make another new system out of the system parts of the failed system, giving them another serial number to sell on the market, putting out yet another serial number to show units sold.

So I'll let go of that argument since I can't prove that happened. It doesn't subtract from the point I'm making, which is RROD inflates their numbers tremendously.

Regardless, RROD gave them a ton of freebies, not everyone was in warranty when their system died, not everyone uses their warranty, (They just bought a new one) and a lot of people used their insurance replacements. All of those help MS numbers, period.

They also inflate their numbers by claiming units shipped are units sold.

Here's a recent article about sold/shipped debates. http://www.thebitbag.com/2010/11/02/aaron-greenberg-on-shipped-versus-sold/

 Sounds to me like you've been reading console war forums a lot and thus have a lot of incorrect information. As stated earlier MS could not count repaired or replaced units as sold even if they wanted to, because they must abide by GAAP. GAAP:

"A product warranty liability and warranty expense should be recorded at the time the product is sold, if it is probable that customers will be making claims under the warranty and the amount can be estimated. These two conditions are part of the FASB’s Statement of Financial Accounting Standards No. 5, Accounting for Contingencies. You can read this pronouncement (which includes a discussion of product warranties) at www.FASB.org/st.

When the warranty liability is both probable and can be estimated, the accountant will accrue in the period of the sale a liability and an expense for the future warranty work. (This matching of warranty expense with the related sales revenue is reasonable, since the warranty could be as important in getting the sale as the product’s advertising expense.)

When work is done under the warranty coverage, the warranty liability will be reduced. "

The difference to when there is a sell is that we debit Cash or Accounts Receivable and Credit Sales Revenue. Notice that that does NOT happen when warranty cover your product.

MS as other US public companies are audited by independent CPAs who check this throughly, so even if they wanted to count those as sells they couldn't. It'd be illegal.  

I wouldnt be too worried about wii. It will probably top ps1 which will be a great feet on its own right (and if not there is no doubt it will top gba). Also some people seem to forget that wii is already nintendo´s best selling home console ever (topping even nes). I really cant understand how someone can make it sound like it was a some sort of failure.

Haters gonna hate

(I´m just happy all consoles get to be successful)