jonager said:
ProdigyBam said:
superchunk said:
ProdigyBam said:
superchunk said:
That's part of the problem.
Too often we have these highly vocal people within Islam and like the OP outside of Islam very happily pushing the idea that Islam teaches violence commanded as an action towards nonMuslims and that actions like these are the only true response.
Combine that with who's actually in control in Muslim lands and what will happen to those who would speak out against these actions and you have a self-fullfilling cycle of hatred and ignorance.
Thankfully I live in the US and as Muslim I can come out and say how wrong these actions are OR how wrong suicide bombing is and that they will go to hell for their actions. This can all happen without fear of being targeted by those who simply want exteamist views to thrive and remain in power.
What you ask for simply can't happen today. Just like it took the deaths of many during the Dark Ages who spoke out against Christianities ignorance and killings, it will take the same now for Islam. Unfortunately, people like the OP are too wrapped up in their ignorance to see the similarities and acknowldege that its better to try to teach full/real version of the Qur'an instead of cherry picking the 10% that when looked out out of context provides support for violent and evil behaviour.
I've considered many times writing a book on Islam's history and full look into the Prophet and the Qur'an. Yet I haven't as I'm afraid some idiot in the Middle East would ignorantly proclaim I'm a heretic and want my head. When in reality he is the one bastardizing the word of God.
|
@ Bolded parts:
"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Quran: and who is more faithful to his covenant than Allah? then rejoice in the bargain which ye have concluded: that is the achievement supreme." (Quran 9:111)
@ OP:
Therefore listen not to the Unbelievers, but strive against them with the utmost strenuousness..." (Quran 25:52)
@ 2. Bolded parts:
I think youre reffering to the crusades, right?
The crusades took place ~ 350 years against the first christian countries were conquered by the muslims, they are a reaction against the discriminated and killed christians in the holy land and muslims who wanted to conqure the byzantine empire.
|
I'm not going to waste my time AGAIN going back and forth over your cherry picked verses that are ignorant of the context from the verses just above and below as well as historical revalence in which it was recorded. You won't agree with the actual context anyways.
As for the last paragraph, I was talking the whole Dark Ages, not just the Crusades which you obviously don't know the history of either. They were anything but a purely retaliatory action. Additionally, the Dome of the Rock being built almost 400 years before the first crusade disproves that they were a retaliatory action against the rise of Islamic empire. Really, it took 400 years for Europe to fight back?
|
No but byzantine asked the pope for help because the muslims were about to conquer the byzantine empire also and that was enough for the christians in europe so they had to start the crusades.
Ahh, so the actual context of the verses is peace, right.
"kill them, kill the, kill them but in context !!!!111 it means peace" funny how muslims love this word "context"
Or "self defence" yeah, the arabs conquered 60% of the christian world because of "self defence" riiiiight, they attacked persia, north africa, egypt and so on for no reason, only because it was written in the quran.
you know that im right and it pisses you on, youre just hoping that you can fool the other ones here with your "context" and "self defence" taqqya even if its the complete oppostie of the actual facts.
fortunately your muslim brothers and sisters arent as intelligent as you and show what really is on their mind, i mean, i would just wait till the muslims are in the mayority and then start with the shit, but thank god theyre as stupid as they are.
|
u can't be serious right?
|
^
I am serious.
Im happy that the muslims here in europe are so stupid and cause trouble now already before being the majority, that way even the average left winged european gets sceptical about the religion.
Im 17 years old, how do you think i came to criticizing islam?
1 year is was like many other people thinking "islam is almost the same as christianity its the same god were are believeing in, the muslim terrorists are extremists and dont do what is written in the quran and so on"
BUT there was one thing that really got me skeptical.
I got dissed/attacked in my life about 20 times.
Of that 20 times 15 times was from ethnic muslims, you know, in a german city.
And im not racist, im not even from germany myself and have many friends from other countries, including muslims (my best friend is muslim).
Yeah, after i thought about it, i came to the conclusion to learn more about islam because i found it strange that turks and arabs are the only ones who cause trouble, altough there are russians, serbs, italians, vietnameses, croats too in munich and they dont cause nearly as much trouble as the muslims.
I thought maybe it had to do with islam and then i read the quran, watched some histoical films about the ottoman empire, read about mohammed and the islamic expansion and realized that it HAS to do with islam.
And im happy these muslims are like that, because im not the only one whos waking up now and thats why i like it, its better they are causing trouble now and the people see and realize that it has do to with the islam instead of being good people and then kill all of us unbelievers when they are more like the turks did it with the christian armeniens for example.
