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Forums - Sales Discussion - Aaron Greenburg "LOL's" at VGChartz KINECT Sales Report on his Twitter!!!

Torillian on 11 November 2010
Frieza said:
Torillian said:
Frieza said:

What people dont seem to understand here, is that while this site is obviously very popular with users here, this site is considered a joke and laughed at by everybody else and not respected at all by other sites because they all think VGchartz just make up the numbers.

Which to be fair most of the time they do.

 


"all other sites"?  You've visited the entire internet and they all hate us?  This is a woeful day for VGC-kind. ; ;

Aside from the bad sarcasm, on every game site ive been on VGchartz is considered a joke amongst users.

For example if i went on the IGN vestibule board and posted. "According to Vgchartz Black Ops sold 7 million copies Day 1"

Most replies would consist of "LOL Vgchartz", theres no respect for it anyway from what ive seen except here and even that changes. Sites like Gamespot or IGN would never use Vgchartz as a source because they dont respect Vgchartz word for anything.

The genreal consensus about this site is that, they make up the numbers. This sites been proven wrong several dozen times so theres a reason for their way of thinking.


being proven wrong several dozen times when you put out the number of stats this site does doesn't really seem like a big percentage.  The reason that NPD is assumed to be right all the time is that there isn't another professional tracking site in the US to compare them to.  Famitsu and Media Create in Japan are able to get actual sales data from a much greater percentage of their market than NPD is able to get in the US and even they don't agree all the time. 

Tracking sales when you don't get 100% of the data is always going to be a bit of a crap shoot but Brett does the best he can with what he has and is most of the time close or on the money.  Fuck ups happen but they are the exception and not the rule.

You're probably right that your average internet user doesn't respect our site, but going to E3 I have to disagree with the idea that the average industry person doesn't.  Maybe that's just the power of anonymity letting out people's inner feelings but I like to think that most rational people can see the numbers and this site for what it is and give it the respect it is due.



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heruamon on 11 November 2010
Carl2291 said:
Mendicate Bias said:

A website in the business of tracking sales has every right to get called out if it gets sales numbers wrong.

Greenberg has said some stupid things but if you think that vgchartz has better sales data than an exec from Microsoft some of you are more deluded than I thought. He would have no reason to comment what so ever if sales of Kinect where close to or even below what was posted.

I don't see why people are even doubting that vgchartz got the numbers wrong, this site is known for making massive adjustments pretty regularly. Well I guess its the fanboys job to trump up whatever source makes their console of choice look good and bash the source that casts it in a bad light. We see this all the time when NPD figures are released, don't really know why I expected any different.

Here's a question for you -

How would Aaron Greenberg know the exact sales numbers, when the only numbers (aside from Shipped) that he has access to is NPD?

Do you really think wholesalers have no methods of tracking sales of product at retail, in general?

As for this specific case, one easy way would be restocking orders from retailers.  M$ knows how many were shipped, so if Retailers are clamoring for follow-on orders to be filled faster...that's probably a clue.  Every been to a best buy, and they could tell you which nearby stores had the item sold out at the store you're at...that might be a clue.



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Mendicate Bias on 11 November 2010
Carl2291 said:
Mendicate Bias said:

A website in the business of tracking sales has every right to get called out if it gets sales numbers wrong.

Greenberg has said some stupid things but if you think that vgchartz has better sales data than an exec from Microsoft some of you are more deluded than I thought. He would have no reason to comment what so ever if sales of Kinect where close to or even below what was posted.

I don't see why people are even doubting that vgchartz got the numbers wrong, this site is known for making massive adjustments pretty regularly. Well I guess its the fanboys job to trump up whatever source makes their console of choice look good and bash the source that casts it in a bad light. We see this all the time when NPD figures are released, don't really know why I expected any different.

Here's a question for you -

How would Aaron Greenberg know the exact sales numbers, when the only numbers (aside from Shipped) that he has access to is NPD?

He would have no reason to comment unless he knew with a pretty high certainty that vgchartz numbers were wrong.

As to how he knows their wrong we don't know and can only speculate. Maybe they already received initial sales figures from NPD, maybe the have their own internal tracking for Kinect who knows. All I can tell you is that his sources are probably a lot more accurate than ours.



                                           

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theprof00 on 11 November 2010
heruamon said:

 

That's not english you're typing my friend...lol...at least, not to this crowd.

It's a giant conspiracy! We're out to get you and MS!



Carl on 11 November 2010
heruamon said:

Do you really think wholesalers have no methods of tracking sales of product at retail, in general?

As for this specific case, one easy way would be restocking orders from retailers.  M$ knows how many were shipped, so if Retailers are clamoring for follow-on orders to be filled faster...that's probably a clue.  Every been to a best buy, and they could tell you which nearby stores had the item sold out at the store you're at...that might be a clue.

If MS had a tracking service then Greenberg wouldn't be quoting NPD numbers as fact every Month.



                            

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Carl on 11 November 2010
Mendicate Bias said:

He would have no reason to comment unless he knew with a pretty high certainty that vgchartz numbers were wrong.

As to how he knows their wrong we don't know and can only speculate. Maybe they already received initial sales figures from NPD, maybe the have their own internal tracking for Kinect who knows. All I can tell you is that his sources are probably a lot more accurate than ours.

Maybe. Maybe not. You're right though... We can only speculate.

Maybe he's just wound up and upset that VGC posted sales numbers for it before MS actually did.



                            

NYANKS on 11 November 2010
Carl2291 said:
heruamon said:

Do you really think wholesalers have no methods of tracking sales of product at retail, in general?

As for this specific case, one easy way would be restocking orders from retailers.  M$ knows how many were shipped, so if Retailers are clamoring for follow-on orders to be filled faster...that's probably a clue.  Every been to a best buy, and they could tell you which nearby stores had the item sold out at the store you're at...that might be a clue.

If MS had a tracking service then Greenberg wouldn't be quoting NPD numbers as fact every Month.

The fact that he's aware of us and felt the need to comment on such an "insignifcant site" says something.  He's watching, at least.



theprof00 on 11 November 2010
heruamon said:

Do you really think wholesalers have no methods of tracking sales of product at retail, in general?

As for this specific case, one easy way would be restocking orders from retailers.  M$ knows how many were shipped, so if Retailers are clamoring for follow-on orders to be filled faster...that's probably a clue.  Every been to a best buy, and they could tell you which nearby stores had the item sold out at the store you're at...that might be a clue.

So your argument is that MS has at least the same tracking capacity as vgchartz doe, and therefore has been tracking than vgc does.

Restocking has no implication on sales.

Shipments do not directly go to each store (surprisingly /sarcasm) they go to a warehouse or distributor. Once the product leaves the MS manufactory, they have no idea, nor do they care, what happens to them. All they care about is sending out more shipments and selling them.



Carl on 11 November 2010
NYANKS said:

The fact that he's aware of us and felt the need to comment on such an "insignifcant site" says something.  He's watching, at least.

Meh.

He can't be that bothered if he didn't even read the article correctly and doesn't even know about the Methodology page.

Add in the point that 90% of the people here dislike him for being an all around troll... And you get someone who doesn't like the site.



                            

theprof00 on 11 November 2010
Carl2291 said:

Maybe. Maybe not. You're right though... We can only speculate.

Maybe he's just wound up and upset that VGC posted sales numbers for it before MS actually did.

or that he's a PR guy, and doing his PR guy job of making his company look good....