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gekkokamen on 10 November 2010
TheSource said:

Walmart.com:

Kinect game(s) hw bundles sold out

Kinect X360 game - not sold out

 

Amazon.com

Kinect game(s) hw bundles sold out

Kinect X360 game - not sold out

 

Target.com

Kinect game(s) bundles sold out

Kinect X360 game bundles - SOLD OUT

 

Best Buy.com

Kinect game bundle sold out

Kinect X360 game bundles - not sold out

 

Toys R US.com

Kinect game bundle - sold out

Kinect X360 game bundles - not sold out

 

Game Stop.com

Kinect game bundle - NOT sold out

Kinect X360 game bundles - not sold out

 

Essentially, the bundles for people without X360 are in stock everywhere but Target, while the Kinect hw game bundles for existing X360 bundles are sold out everywhere but Game Stop. This sort of reflects my concern for Kinect this Christmas - the initial buyers will be the existing X360 audience primarily. The console bundles are certainly selling well if you look at the top-selling retailer products on their websites, but it doesn't seem like the demand is ahead of expectations in the way that the Kinect Game bundle demand is from the X360 audience. For Kinect to be a huge hardware pusher, it'd be easier the other way around - the sales to the base strong but not sellouts and the sales to everyone else above supply levels on strong word of mouth or something.

What have you all heard anecdotally? Once COD week slows a bit I'm probably going to go over to some retailers and ask for some opinions on Kinect sales.

wow, you just gave up all the sources you use to come up with your sales estimates...I wonder how many stores for each brick and mortar retailer you actually consult for data...



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Alby_da_Wolf on 10 November 2010

@OP:

Alternative theory: MS marketing too vague and Kinect buyers not knowing they need a console too confirmed?   



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Makaha on 10 November 2010

hmmmm

 

I wondered why Nintedo didn't drop the price of the Wii, which would ruin the Kinect launch....

 

maybe they suspected that Kinect is not a threat at all, so they saw no need for a Wii price cut, after all, Nintendo could definately afford a price cut, hell the Wii was profitable when it launched as opposed to the 360 and PS3 which lost money on every console sold....

so maybe this is just what Nintendo expected....

 

at any rate, I hate the Wii because I hate motion controls, so I want both Move and Kinect to fail so motion controls would just DIE!!!

 

I think that after Christmas, casual gamers will see both Move and Kinect as just fads, and sales will plummet like a rock after Christmas, I mean the software line up on both Move and Kinect is shitty

 

I agree with ioi in his interview with Pachter that neither Kinect or Move have a system seller quite like Wii Sports.  Plus the Wii had Mario--see 22 million sales for Mario Kart Wii.  Sony and MS don't have Mario.

 

Move and Kinect will sell some because of the new-ness , but after Christmas, casual gamers will realize how crappy the software is, and sales will plummet....

 

Actually what I would like to see happen is for Move to fail and Kinect be really HUGE, then 360 will be all casual games and all the hardcore games will be only on PS3, and 360 fanboys will have to sell their 360 and get a PS3 to play hardcore games....LOL

 

Please Kinect, be a HUGE success so I can see this happen, LOL

 

seriously though, why would harcore gamers want Move and Kinect to succeed?

I love my regular controllers, thank you very much

I wouldn't touch motion controls with a 10 foot pole and my gaming buddies feel the same way too....

 



 

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daroamer on 10 November 2010
HappySqurriel said:
daroamer said:
Jordahn said:
daroamer said:
Jordahn said:
daroamer said:

The Wii sold most of its units at the $250 price point, Xbox 360 with Kinect is $300.  $50 is not a deal breaker especially since it can also play DVDs and has HD graphics.

The market has changed.  When the Wii was $250, there was no Kinect while the Core 360 was $300.  Now, we have a base model 360 Slim with Kinect compared to a $200 Wii with two games a Motion Plus.  $300 for a base model 360 Slim with Kinect is not bad.  But in today's market there is a much bigger difference with the Wii.

I'm not making a comparison to the current Wii.  The original point was that people will spend $250 if it's a fun experience and $300 is not that big a different.  This isn't about whether they would rather spend money on the current Wii or Xbox 360, just whether the price is too much to even consider for casuals, clearly it isn't.

AGAIN, different market.  You'd be naive to buy a "new" never-been-used 5 year old plasma TV at its original price in today's market when Plasma tech has advanced while paying less for it.  Do I need to explain further?

Yes, you're missing the point.

When the TV was new and state of the art it was worth $2000 and you were willing to pay it.  You wouldn't pay $2000 for that TV now since it's no longer state of the art.  However, you would still be willing to spend $2000 an a new TV that is brand new, state of the art and way more sophisticated  with better picture and features than what you bought 5 years ago.

The amount of money you spend isn't the issue, it's what you're getting for your money.

Kinect is perceptibly way more advanced than the Wii (especially to casuals), not to mention the Xbox is way more advanced as well.  HD graphics, better sound and more features.

That is a statement that really needs to be demonstrated ...

Being that consumers did not buy into controller free gaming with the Eye-Toy, and I doubt they saw it as being "more advanced" when it was introduced years ago, and (while Kinect is newer technology) I see little evidence that attitudes have changed.

The Eyetoy was extremely primitive by comparison. 



bannedagain on 10 November 2010
theprof00 said:
pachoo5 said:

Again, the sales of the $250 Wii showed that casuals are willing to pay money for a fun experience. Kinect is having no problems selling at $150.

kinect isn't 150$ for casuals. A casual would most likely need to buy a 360 and kinect which is almost double the price of a wii.

 

@people questioning how many of each bundle exists

It's fair to assume that there are far fewer 360 kinect bundles than there are straight kinect bundles. It can't be anywhere near close. I'd even be surprised of a 25/75 ratio of shipments.

 

sorce.



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bannedagain on 10 November 2010
Alby_da_Wolf said:

@OP:

Alternative theory: MS marketing too vague and Kinect buyers not knowing they need a console too confirmed?   



This might be the case. Then it would snowball instead.



bannedagain on 10 November 2010

I'm interested to see if kinect does anything in japan.



theprof00 on 10 November 2010
bannedagain said:
theprof00 said:
pachoo5 said:

Again, the sales of the $250 Wii showed that casuals are willing to pay money for a fun experience. Kinect is having no problems selling at $150.

kinect isn't 150$ for casuals. A casual would most likely need to buy a 360 and kinect which is almost double the price of a wii.

 

@people questioning how many of each bundle exists

It's fair to assume that there are far fewer 360 kinect bundles than there are straight kinect bundles. It can't be anywhere near close. I'd even be surprised of a 25/75 ratio of shipments.

 

sorce.

you really need a source to show that a much smaller box for 150$ will be in much greater supply than a much larger box for 300$

Let's just wait for the numbers. I don't know why you'd think anything different.

Come holiday time there is going to be constraint. If there are more kinect 360 bundles, and people have 360s and want kinect, then they're out of luck.

However, if there are far more kinect standalones, then if the bundles run out, people who wanted one can always buy the standalone and a seperate 360.

If both run out, then that's a problem. But for MS, every bundled set on a shelf represents not only a lost sale, but a profit cut too. Had that kinect instead been a standalone, then it would have sold, and made them more money.

Not only that, but you can fit 4 kinect boxes in the same space as a kinect 360 bundle. It's a price per square foot issue as well, and lots of big box stores use that number.



Wonktonodi on 10 November 2010

The toys R us I'm at sold out of the stand alone kinets but we still have pleanty of bundles.



theprof00 on 10 November 2010
Wonktonodi said:

The toys R us I'm at sold out of the stand alone kinets but we still have pleanty of bundles.

how many of each did you get?