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Torillian on 08 November 2010
theprof00 said:
Torillian said:


but that theory still leaves you with two customers for two shipped units so in theory the install base which is the important number would still be the same as if MS had just replaced the original broken 360.

We aren't an install-base tracking site, we're a sales site.

I agree that two people still get two units, but we don't know how many used 360s gamestop has in warehouses, and we don't know if those consoles still work either.

Saying ours numbers are fine because they track install base with higher accuracy doesn't correspond with what you countered

Oh we're arguing that this is the number that our site should or should not have?  I thought we were just talking about what the number could plausibly be and its significance. 

I can't at all agree with the idea that the site should take any kind of credence in these numbers because they are from a developer without any reference to how they come upon them.  Taking Nintendo's numbers as meaningful makes sense because we have evidence that Nintendo have their own tracking organization.  We have no such proof that these developers have their own method of tracking. 



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jarrod on 08 November 2010
Torillian said:Taking Nintendo's numbers as meaningful makes sense because we have evidence that Nintendo have their own tracking organization.

The other thing is, Nintendo ALWAYS cites any figures they give (either to internal estimates or outside sales trackers), and clarify sell-in or sell-through.  If TOSE did that, we'd have less of an issue here...



thx1139 on 08 November 2010
theprof00 said:
Torillian said:


but that theory still leaves you with two customers for two shipped units so in theory the install base which is the important number would still be the same as if MS had just replaced the original broken 360.

We aren't an install-base tracking site, we're a sales site.

I agree that two people still get two units, but we don't know how many used 360s gamestop has in warehouses, and we don't know if those consoles still work either.

Saying ours numbers are fine because they track install base with higher accuracy doesn't correspond with what you countered.

2 items of evidence point to just a moderate amount of stock at Gamestop and others.  Refurbished units price not dropping and Gamestop was willing to do a trade in program with 360S released.



Its libraries that sell systems not a single game.

theprof00 on 08 November 2010
Torillian said:
theprof00 said:
Torillian said:


but that theory still leaves you with two customers for two shipped units so in theory the install base which is the important number would still be the same as if MS had just replaced the original broken 360.

We aren't an install-base tracking site, we're a sales site.

I agree that two people still get two units, but we don't know how many used 360s gamestop has in warehouses, and we don't know if those consoles still work either.

Saying ours numbers are fine because they track install base with higher accuracy doesn't correspond with what you countered

Oh we're arguing that this is the number that our site should or should not have?  I thought we were just talking about what the number could plausibly be and its significance. 

I can't at all agree with the idea that the site should take any kind of credence in these numbers because they are from a developer without any reference to how they come upon them.  Taking Nintendo's numbers as meaningful makes sense because we have evidence that Nintendo have their own tracking organization.  We have no such proof that these developers have their own method of tracking. 

what? No. Our site should not have these numbers. We are a sales tracking site. My theory still holds them as sales (being shipped).

But in reality, this number could be a lot closer to the actual install of current gen.



KillerMan on 08 November 2010

These numbers are total bs. 120 million figure for PS2 proves that or has Sony shipped 25 million consoles to mars? Really people. Use some logic.



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theprof00 on 08 November 2010
KillerMan said:

These numbers are total bs. 120 million figure for PS2 proves that or has Sony shipped 25 million consoles to mars? Really people. Use some logic.


that could be pretty much proving that our numbers include warranty trades.



Torillian on 08 November 2010
theprof00 said:
Torillian said:
theprof00 said:
Torillian said:


but that theory still leaves you with two customers for two shipped units so in theory the install base which is the important number would still be the same as if MS had just replaced the original broken 360.

We aren't an install-base tracking site, we're a sales site.

I agree that two people still get two units, but we don't know how many used 360s gamestop has in warehouses, and we don't know if those consoles still work either.

Saying ours numbers are fine because they track install base with higher accuracy doesn't correspond with what you countered

Oh we're arguing that this is the number that our site should or should not have?  I thought we were just talking about what the number could plausibly be and its significance. 

I can't at all agree with the idea that the site should take any kind of credence in these numbers because they are from a developer without any reference to how they come upon them.  Taking Nintendo's numbers as meaningful makes sense because we have evidence that Nintendo have their own tracking organization.  We have no such proof that these developers have their own method of tracking. 

what? No. Our site should not have these numbers. We are a sales tracking site. My theory still holds them as sales (being shipped).

But in reality, this number could be a lot closer to the actual install of current gen.

well then my point stands, your theory couldn't account for a discrepency in install base because you still end up with two consoles sold for 2 shipped therefore the difference between overall shipped vs. sold would remain the same and since we know the shipped numbers they couldn't correspond with these sales numbers. 

I agree that the only way these numbers make sense is that Tose did some guesstimate as to how many consoles RROD took out from the install base because of people that replaced instead of repairing, but since we are given no evidence to how they made this estimate I would say that's more reason to ignore the numbers as faulty.  If they aren't accounting for RROD to make that difference between shipped and sold then I have to assume they did some math or typing error.

edit: actually looking at it you can ignore my first paragraph since I think I get what you mean now.



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GameKabu on 08 November 2010

Anyway, reposting my issues from the other thread...

  • PC Engine only sold 3.5m iirc in Japan, TG16 was a relative flop in America, it never released in Europe... so how the hell'd they get to 10 million?  Were Duo sales actually that high?
  • The Saturn figure seems low too, it sold almost 6m Japan alone... so only less than 3m for the rest of the world?  Seems unlikely, more likely it's around 10m.
  • PS2 seems REALLY low. Like 10-15m light.
  • PS3 ahead of 360.  lol.

http://gamedatamuseum.web.fc2.com/hardhistory.htm

Shipment figures for Japan, Famitsu sales figures in bold.

GameBoy (w/ Color) - 32.47M
Nintendo DS (w/ DSi) - 31.38M
PlayStation 2 - 21.88M
PlayStation (w/ PSone) - 21.59M
Famicom - 19.35M
Super Famicom - 17.17M
GameBoy Advance - 16.73M
PSP (w/ PSPgo) - 15.21M
Wii - 10.73M
Sega Saturn - 5.90M
PC Engine - 5.84M
PlayStation 3 - 5.61M
Nintendo 64 - 5.54M
GameCube - 4.02M
MegaDrive - 3.58M
WonderSwan (w/ Color) - 3.00M
Dreamcast - 2.80M
Game Gear - 1.78M
Xbox360 - 1.37M
3DO Real - 720K
Virtual Boy - 630K
NeoGeo Pocket (w/ Color) - 550K
Xbox - 500K
Laser Active - 420K
PC-FX - 400K
Pippin Atmark - 30K



jarrod on 08 November 2010
GameKabu said:

Anyway, reposting my issues from the other thread...

  • PC Engine only sold 3.5m iirc in Japan, TG16 was a relative flop in America, it never released in Europe... so how the hell'd they get to 10 million?  Were Duo sales actually that high?
  • The Saturn figure seems low too, it sold almost 6m Japan alone... so only less than 3m for the rest of the world?  Seems unlikely, more likely it's around 10m.
  • PS2 seems REALLY low. Like 10-15m light.
  • PS3 ahead of 360.  lol.

http://gamedatamuseum.web.fc2.com/hardhistory.htm

Shipment figures for Japan, Famitsu sales figures in bold.

GameBoy (w/ Color) - 32.47M
Nintendo DS - 31.38M
PlayStation 2 - 21.88M
PlayStation (w/ PSone) - 21.59M
Famicom - 19.35M
Super Famicom - 17.17M
GameBoy Advance - 16.73M
PSP (w/ PSPgo) - 15.21M
Wii - 10.73M
Sega Saturn - 5.90M
PC Engine - 5.84M
PlayStation 3 - 5.61M
Nintendo 64 - 5.54M
GameCube - 4.02M
MegaDrive - 3.58M
WonderSwan (w/ Color) - 3.00M
Dreamcast - 2.80M
Game Gear - 1.78M
Xbox360 - 1.37M
3DO Real - 720K
Virtual Boy - 630K
NeoGeo Pocket (w/ Color) - 550K
Xbox - 500K
Laser Active - 420K
PC-FX - 400K
Pippin Atmark - 30K


OOOOOO!  Thanks!

I think I was mixing up PCE and MD.  Still though, pretty sure PCE/TG16 never hit 10m.  And Saturn did.



zhao3gold on 08 November 2010
theprof00 said:
zhao3gold said:

If you guys wants to believe this figure provided from Tose, just believe it. But it is obviously that there are a lot of people still believe the numbers provided from Sony and Microsoft.

In North America, XBOX360 outsold PS3 by more than 8million and in Japan PS3 outsold XBOX360 by 4.5million. If this number is true, it means PS3 already outsold XBOX360 by another 4.5million in EMEAA region.

So, show us the evidence about this lead in EMEAA region. I cannot get it from VGC and any website else.

It is not about you want to believe it or you deny to believe it. We just need the evidence to prove PS3 already outsold XBOX360. If there are plenty of sources can prove this, of course everyone including Sony fanboy and MS fanboy will believe this number.

Before the evidence, it is useless to discuss it here. That is why the tread would be locked.


No it isn't. That's why this thread isn't locked. But you're such a cutie-pie! Try again!

We are arguing for nothing because no evidence can prove what you are thinking and what I am thinking. But I think most of people will prefer to refer the figure from the sales reports published by hardware manufacturers and the figures from powerful tracking company like NPD, FAMI. If you like Tose report and if you do believe their figure, just believe it and tell yourself your dream comes true today.