Not defending Jarrod at all since I think he's 100% wrong on the "theres nothing But shovelware" bit cause Dance Central and Kinect Sports are far from it, BUT from game sites to people throwing around their "opinions" on forums and such they've called Wii Sports and Just Dance shovelware, which equates to Kinect Sports and Dance Central on Kinect, I mean people flat out call things like Deca Sports shovelware and then there's one releasing on Kinect.  

Just seems to me there is a double standard and it's a painfully obvious one.

Sorry, shovelware isn't the right word... maybe casualware.  Wii Sports or Dance Central can be well made and quality titles, but that sort of stuff generally isn't for me.  And really, that means there's literally NOTHING in Kinect's launch lineup for me... Wii launch at least had some diversity to it, Move even too to a degree.  I don't see that with Kinect though.

I agree. When Kinect's launch lineup was announced I literally laughed out loud. With Move we already have Time Crisis 4 / Time Crisis Raizing Storm / Deadstorm Pirates and The Shoot, all pretty cool non-casual lightgun shooters, and we got Move controls for RE5 and Heavy Rain. The (then upcoming) Time Crsisis collection was one of the reasons that convinced me to get Move; I hope Sega takes a hint and gives us a House of the Dead collection for Move. Due to the lack of buttons and lag I don't expect to see any of these on Kinect. Can you even point as precisely with Kinect?

I'm not saying I'll never buy Kinect; as soon as the price reaches a more reasonable level (around 50 USD), I suppose it would be a nice party-gimmick to have.

PS fan or not, good post.

I'm gonna wait little longer before buying this.  Most likely I will get it, but I need more positive reviews.

thanks

Also sorry if I sound overly critical, it's probably cause I am, but not without reason that the thing.  I love motion controls, I love the new mechanics it has started to spawn, I love that developers can't just pump out the same game over and over with little imagination, games filled with flailing typically fail cause they say hey any motion is good motion and tack it on, games that make you get more into the action by doing motion right sell really well be it Wii Sports Resort or Star Wars the Force Unleashed.

Now we've come to a time when everyone is making their own motion controllers and the issues that come up are real, you don't sell better by improving upon existing products you sell better by making something smart and a real step forward but to do so you need to think about all aspects, who is this marketed to, how much will they pay, does this differentiate itself enough, does this work for everyone or the few.  

Both Kinect and Move have failed at a lot of those aspects, from being more expensive, to not making itself different enough, not thinking about the average consumer and if they could use this in their home, and in some cases going backwards.  

People can use anecdotal evidence of their families all day long, I could care less cause who bought them the Kinect well it was their core Xbox fan, the bottom line is what the devices do and how the software can push the devices, if both of those don't appeal to new audiences then the devices failed to market to who they were intended to hit. 

Again, there are no "workarounds" being used for Dance Central.  I already explained this.

Also, the 100ms lag, you do realize, is lower than Halo 3 and Killzone 2 standard controller input lag?

I quite frankly don't believe you on Halo 3 I'd like some documentation, I can post video after video showing kinects lag, I couldn't say the same about Halo 3, Killzone 2 on the other hand had input lag, everyone complained about it, it was really noticeable and interfered with gameplay and it had to be patched, that was software causing the lag, not the input device however. 

Exactly. as long as the game is leading you when to hit the button, swing the controller or take an action the software can compensate for the lag. This is why you will not notice any lag in Dance Central and Move Volleyball, you follow the game instead of the game trying to follow you. 

 The more the software can predict you moves the less noticeable the lag will be , the more unpredictable (more options in the game) the more noticeable the lag becomes.

Huh. At first I wondered why this wasn't in the Microsoft forum . . . at first.