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Crap, I was late! Anywho, I would love a democratic system where everyone has a say in a decision other than the one thats follow the one person that has influence over everyone in the game.

So should we first day lynch, I think it brings the true color of people. 

Also, these metatheories are hurting my head.




              

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dtewi said:
Kantor said:

All of these metatheories and metagames are making my head hurt.

Let's go back to the old method of suspecting idlers.


You think suspecting idlers will work when we're only 6 hours into the game?


sure, look if you analyse the previous posts, we already have 2 people very carefull of saying when they are here or not, so as not to appear idling.

Homer posted just to say he'll be back cause he was gonna watch a movie.

Radish gave us his weekly hours of availability.

so what to make of this? Homer really wants to appear participative. Radish doesn't want to attrack attention.

I'm not saying it's bad... i'm saying it's information.



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theprof00 said:
TruckOSaurus said:

Grrr at the Quick Reply box loading correctly every other time.

So I'll be true to my word and throw this First Day chatting topic: Do you believe that townies should ALWAYS tell the truth? Or do you believe certain circumstances excuse a townie lie?

vote: truckOsaurus

This is a blatant flame starter. Trying to get someone lynched behind some warped idea about rules  and how the game works. 

Lies are not a problem because townies shouldn't trust anyone other than themselves anyway. The real victims of a pro-town lie are the mafia, because mafia will generally take townies at their word depending on how the lie is presented. 

Think about it. If I lie and claim something I'm not, it's misleads the mafia because they have to think about that player. "Are they lying", "Totally bluffing", "Let's avoid that player".

Now, a normal town doesn't have to think about stuff like that because town should never take anything at face value. Well there you have it. Lying is important and has its own purposes and usefulness.

Actually, it was a continuation of a topic started in the sign-up thread.

Though I find your idea of lying being beneficial unnerving. If the mafia takes everything as face value, then why would they want to avoid them and how would it mislead them? Please expand on those.

Also, lying does NOT help the town. Because if a townie gets caught in there lies, it leads to a mislynch, which is always detrimental to the town.



Kimi wa ne tashika ni ano toki watashi no soba ni ita

Itsudatte itsudatte itsudatte

Sugu yoko de waratteita

Nakushitemo torimodosu kimi wo

I will never leave you

SuperAdrianK said:

Crap, I was late! Anywho, I would love a democratic system where everyone has a say in a decision other than the one thats follow the one person that has influence over everyone in the game.

So should we first day lynch, I think it brings the true color of people. 

Also, these metatheories are hurting my head.


whut?



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SuperAdrianK said:

Crap, I was late! Anywho, I would love a democratic system where everyone has a say in a decision other than the one thats follow the one person that has influence over everyone in the game.

So should we first day lynch, I think it brings the true color of people. 

Also, these metatheories are hurting my head.


It's mafia. There are always going to be leaders and bandwagoners. The only people to blame though are the bandwagoners who aren't participating much in the game themselves.



Kimi wa ne tashika ni ano toki watashi no soba ni ita

Itsudatte itsudatte itsudatte

Sugu yoko de waratteita

Nakushitemo torimodosu kimi wo

I will never leave you

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dtewi said:
SuperAdrianK said:

Crap, I was late! Anywho, I would love a democratic system where everyone has a say in a decision other than the one thats follow the one person that has influence over everyone in the game.

So should we first day lynch, I think it brings the true color of people. 

Also, these metatheories are hurting my head.


It's mafia. There are always going to be leaders and bandwagoners. The only people to blame though are the bandwagoners who aren't participating much in the game themselves.


thanks for the translation :-p



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Hephaestos said:
dtewi said:
Kantor said:

All of these metatheories and metagames are making my head hurt.

Let's go back to the old method of suspecting idlers.


You think suspecting idlers will work when we're only 6 hours into the game?


sure, look if you analyse the previous posts, we already have 2 people very carefull of saying when they are here or not, so as not to appear idling.

Homer posted just to say he'll be back cause he was gonna watch a movie.

Radish gave us his weekly hours of availability.

so what to make of this? Homer really wants to appear participative. Radish doesn't want to attrack attention.

I'm not saying it's bad... i'm saying it's information.

Homer, I'm not sure what he would do, as I only remember one game with him and he was scum.

Now radish.... in a game I played with him where he wasn't scum, he didn't feel the need to let us know everywhere he was at any time. Though the game he was scum, he did do that. I'm not saying he is scum, but I think it's rather something to look out for. He may have just continued on from his old habits though.



Kimi wa ne tashika ni ano toki watashi no soba ni ita

Itsudatte itsudatte itsudatte

Sugu yoko de waratteita

Nakushitemo torimodosu kimi wo

I will never leave you

Hephaestos said:
SuperAdrianK said:

Crap, I was late! Anywho, I would love a democratic system where everyone has a say in a decision other than the one thats follow the one person that has influence over everyone in the game.

So should we first day lynch, I think it brings the true color of people. 

Also, these metatheories are hurting my head.


whut?

Everyone, or almost everyone, has a say to a decision whether to lynch someone or something else I can't think of, as opposed to a system where one person does all the talking and people follow like sheep.




              

TruckOSaurus said:
theRepublic said:

Townies should always tell the truth.  That way, it is easier to sort out the lies of scum.  There may be times when it would not be a good idea for a townie to reveal the full truth, but in that instance I think it is better to be vague than to outright lie.

Just to expand on this. Townies always telling the truth is also very beneficial to the town when a townie ends up dead because you can go back on what that player said and know it was said without any hidden agenda, providing valuable information to catch scum.

Please. Knowing a townie's motives has no implications on who is anti-town. Whether they were truthful or laying a trap, it makes no difference as they are inherently blind to the truth.

Not beneficial.

However, I will agree that there are some townies that should ALWAYS tell the truth. Those being the cop, watcher, and tracker. People with real information. Then again, people with info don't need to lie about anything. In many ways, there are multiple levels of play. Those who rely on powers and those who don't. Both are very different standpoints. When you have a power, you tend to rely on it, as demonstrated by the recent games where powers have been very useful. When you don't have a power, you look more at the gameplay and what is being said.



dtewi said:
SuperAdrianK said:

Crap, I was late! Anywho, I would love a democratic system where everyone has a say in a decision other than the one thats follow the one person that has influence over everyone in the game.

So should we first day lynch, I think it brings the true color of people. 

Also, these metatheories are hurting my head.


It's mafia. There are always going to be leaders and bandwagoners. The only people to blame though are the bandwagoners who aren't participating much in the game themselves.

Then all it leads to is to lynch the bandwagoners. It really sucked if it was a townie, although they aren't helping at all by doing so...