dtewi said:
Even though I vehemently disagree with lynching someone because they lurk, it is in a way effective. |
Do we have any issue with SuperAdrianK other than his lurking?
I've had to read some 200 posts at once, which included at least twelve different bandwagons, and my head is reeling a little.
(Former) Lead Moderator and (Eternal) VGC Detective 
Kantor said:
Do we have any issue with SuperAdrianK other than his lurking? I've had to read some 200 posts at once, which included at least twelve different bandwagons, and my head is reeling a little. |
He made one post that was the tipping point. I think he name-claimed nameless and was suspecting Heph on how he knew what youma were.
Kimi wa ne tashika ni ano toki watashi no soba ni ita
Itsudatte itsudatte itsudatte
Sugu yoko de waratteita
Nakushitemo torimodosu kimi wo
I will never leave you
| theprof00 said: Link can we get one of your vote spreads? This computer I'm on is slow, and I like how you have all kinds of info in one place. |
I'll update the vote spreads with each of my posts, assuming it changes. Or every 50 thread posts or so even if it doesn't as a reminder. Assuming @Final-Fan doesn't mind, I'll keep this up(but not post anything other than the vote spread) even should I be killed in the game. Since it's easy enough(if not tedious) to go back and find previous days' vote spreads, I'll compile all previous days together at the start of each day.
hatmoza said:
Could you please say who these 2 people are? |
Both you and Khuutra failed to realize the second person. In your case I can see that as you're only questioning it now instead of when it was originally proposed as a cop for 2 scum. I immediately picked up on who Heph was talking about, but it's probably a moot point now anyway.
Additional suspicion on Khuutra and dtewi for thinking Homer nameclaimed the same thing as prof. Both mentioned Nephrite but that is the only common piece. Soonafter prof's nameclaim someone mentioned that Cameran is a youma, also the highlight of the conversation as Heph just revealed he is simply "a youma" without a name.
nen-suer said:
That's not true. Coze unlike us they know each other identities meaning they cant make mistakes. Anyways guess I'll unvote you for now (you can thank homer) Khuutra is my no1 suspect, but i have nothing on him. So Vote: gurgleslech |
Is the italicized still the case. If not, who and why? Also your claim of being the 5th nameless youma does not bode well for you unless my theory is correct or there are multiple nameless youmas(Is that plural or are youma like fish?) under each general, which actually doesn't sound far-fetched if I think about it.
@Kantor
In case you haven't gotten the message, Heph and I are pretty sure you're town now. If you have doubts of us, well I can only say it was your breadcrumb that we gobbled up. As for http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=3747902 I pretty much agree with everything; however, two things. 1) if there is no action against lurkers then they stick around as either scum or town that aren't contributing. If there's no better candidates for lynching then we can't just leave it to lurking town to win things in the end. 2) I have about a 60% certainty that prof is up to something and it is pro town as well. It's reassuring that you have the same feeling given your experience together.
Khuutra said:
True enough, but I've never lead town when Mafia. I always manageto screw that up. |
Do you mean you're leading town now? More importantly, given your knowledge of the series, how many villians had youma?
| Hephaestos said: the reason I say this is because 1) silver came up with the word conquest (and general) 2) sak came up with clearing the path to. both Items I had not talked about. |
On 1) we knew "world conquest" from Final-Fan, and that a youma serves a general thanks to prof's nameclaim. So now I'm not entirely sure on Silver, and going by your "4 'a youma'" theory there was a 2/3 shot of naming a general you don't have too. Forget the words used in the description, it's time for theRepublic and nen-suer to come clean.
2) if that's the exact phrase you have then that's enough for me. SAK is confirmed townie in my eyes.
Oh and it's not so bad that we have confirmed vanillas. Scum has to waste kills instead of hunting power or our group can use information from whoever is left to lynch right. Additionally, PR shouldn't have to investigate anyone from the group which increases the odd of finding scum. This is based on the non-confirmed townies believing us though. To that respect, it would be mafia suicide to group up in the open like this, but I for will gladly take a trip to the gallows or a night kill to confirm the rest of you.
Lastly, I have no problem with your post count, in fact the opposite even though it's a lot to go through. Once I knew you were to be trusted it gave me an extra viewpoint that I might not see, but at the same time I can keep you grounded as I just did with my counterpoint to 1)
| Khuutra said: Also, I would like to encourage people to continue suspecting me, just enough that you won't lynch me |
That is exactly how I feel about you. There's nothing to go on yet except a mere feeling. Additionally, you've given me some town vibes so I want to see what you think.
| Homer_Simpson said:
I dont need protection, read my post, I will decide what I do at night on random to confuse mafia! haha! if you guys have a person for me to follow in mind, let me know and if I do so it will be them! |
I did read it, but I think the actual name and the hiding part would've been better left unsaid. Your play in this game so far hasn't been the best, but I'm inclined to believe you for now. On the other hand, you're far from confirmed.
| MetalGear_94 said: I thought someone said to stop name claiming |
I did, but as it turns out I'm confident it has confirmed another townie, bringing the total to 4 including myself. It also gives a few leads on those late to the party that can be followed up for investigation.
| Kamal said: Nameclaiming right now will only give the mafia a better idea on who the cop is as the chances of them killing cop has increased since everyone is coming out as "fodder" |
It's possible, but only if everyone coming forward it truly a vanilla. Right now there is only one option left for general if ST is telling the truth. If we really are limited to 4 "a youma" then we have either scum or a townie fakeclaiming to look vanilla. That is the risk/reward of investigating this matter further with regards to ST, theRepublic, and nen-suer further.
| dtewi said:
SuperAdrianK is a prime suspect. Suspicions of him have been eloquently stated for the past 100 or so posts. |
He had been, but I'm sure that he was legitimately confused at first which caused him to look suspect. He's now cleared. Unless you doubt myself and Heph, and Kantor possibly if he comes around to accepting us.
| c03n3nj0 said: Hai guys! So I read the first 5 pages so far... and damn, my head hurts. Someone wanna help an old pal here to catch-up and make a quick summary. I'll still read over the thread but knowing what's going to happen will make it so much quicker. :-/ |
I know it's a ton to go through, but honestly you're going to have to get through it yourself if you're going to help us as a townie. We need the fresh perspectives to possibly pick up on things we had missed. If you're scum then you'll have your team to fill you in and frankly you can rot. 
I will give a summary of my state of the town:
Confirmed townies:
Hephaestos
Kantor
SuperAdrianK
Confirmable townie:
Homer_Simpson
I put prof on a 60% certainty of being town. It's nowhere near sure, but that's how I lean.
No read either way: all of the lurkers, damn them!
And my current suspects:
MetalGear_94 or nen-suer would probably lead my list.
Linkzmax said:
I'll update the vote spreads with each of my posts, assuming it changes. Or every 50 thread posts or so even if it doesn't as a reminder. Assuming @Final-Fan doesn't mind, I'll keep this up(but not post anything other than the vote spread) even should I be killed in the game. Since it's easy enough(if not tedious) to go back and find previous days' vote spreads, I'll compile all previous days together at the start of each day.
Both you and Khuutra failed to realize the second person. In your case I can see that as you're only questioning it now instead of when it was originally proposed as a cop for 2 scum. I immediately picked up on who Heph was talking about, but it's probably a moot point now anyway. Additional suspicion on Khuutra and dtewi for thinking Homer nameclaimed the same thing as prof. Both mentioned Nephrite but that is the only common piece. Soonafter prof's nameclaim someone mentioned that Cameran is a youma, also the highlight of the conversation as Heph just revealed he is simply "a youma" without a name.
Is the italicized still the case. If not, who and why? Also your claim of being the 5th nameless youma does not bode well for you unless my theory is correct or there are multiple nameless youmas(Is that plural or are youma like fish?) under each general, which actually doesn't sound far-fetched if I think about it.
@Kantor
Do you mean you're leading town now? More importantly, given your knowledge of the series, how many villians had youma?
On 1) we knew "world conquest" from Final-Fan, and that a youma serves a general thanks to prof's nameclaim. So now I'm not entirely sure on Silver, and going by your "4 'a youma'" theory there was a 2/3 shot of naming a general you don't have too. Forget the words used in the description, it's time for theRepublic and nen-suer to come clean. 2) if that's the exact phrase you have then that's enough for me. SAK is confirmed townie in my eyes. Oh and it's not so bad that we have confirmed vanillas. Scum has to waste kills instead of hunting power or our group can use information from whoever is left to lynch right. Additionally, PR shouldn't have to investigate anyone from the group which increases the odd of finding scum. This is based on the non-confirmed townies believing us though. To that respect, it would be mafia suicide to group up in the open like this, but I for will gladly take a trip to the gallows or a night kill to confirm the rest of you. Lastly, I have no problem with your post count, in fact the opposite even though it's a lot to go through. Once I knew you were to be trusted it gave me an extra viewpoint that I might not see, but at the same time I can keep you grounded as I just did with my counterpoint to 1)
That is exactly how I feel about you. There's nothing to go on yet except a mere feeling. Additionally, you've given me some town vibes so I want to see what you think.
I did read it, but I think the actual name and the hiding part would've been better left unsaid. Your play in this game so far hasn't been the best, but I'm inclined to believe you for now. On the other hand, you're far from confirmed.
I did, but as it turns out I'm confident it has confirmed another townie, bringing the total to 4 including myself. It also gives a few leads on those late to the party that can be followed up for investigation.
It's possible, but only if everyone coming forward it truly a vanilla. Right now there is only one option left for general if ST is telling the truth. If we really are limited to 4 "a youma" then we have either scum or a townie fakeclaiming to look vanilla. That is the risk/reward of investigating this matter further with regards to ST, theRepublic, and nen-suer further.
He had been, but I'm sure that he was legitimately confused at first which caused him to look suspect. He's now cleared. Unless you doubt myself and Heph, and Kantor possibly if he comes around to accepting us. |
I've bolded the info that's either irrational or superfluous.
Firs of all, confirmed VTs are very very bad things. It narrows down the list of people for scum to kill. And with it they have a higher chance of killing power-roles.
Second, I want you to abandon trusting people. Trusting people is STUPID unless they are confirmed without a shadow of a doubt, which is almost impossible to prove.
Third, come down to earth. You seem to be laboring under the idea that you need to have these wonderfully long posts full of spectacular insight, but truth be told, people don't peruse them, they contain info that is sometimes wrong to put in there, and hardly any info you've posted is insightful at all.
Sorry if I'm being blunt.
Kimi wa ne tashika ni ano toki watashi no soba ni ita
Itsudatte itsudatte itsudatte
Sugu yoko de waratteita
Nakushitemo torimodosu kimi wo
I will never leave you
To elaborate: I don't think that you should stop posting, just be more concise with info that is relevant and helpful.
Kimi wa ne tashika ni ano toki watashi no soba ni ita
Itsudatte itsudatte itsudatte
Sugu yoko de waratteita
Nakushitemo torimodosu kimi wo
I will never leave you
I was the one who mentioned cameran is a youma, that is why I don't think it makes sense that final fan would put both named and nameless youma in the game unless prof is lying, which is what I think and why I voted for him.
also the generals have many youma that work under them, so limiting them to 4 only because there are four generals doesn't make sense.
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@Linkz:
I want to make it clear that I did not suggest SuperAdrianK claimed the same as prof; I looked it up and saw that they claimed allegiance to different generals.
It seems that there are four generals, and if that's the case then there are three or four followers (not necessarily youma), or possibly more. I think that it's possible that there are four generals (the servants of Beryl), four servants, and possibly four generic minions. It's possible. Allow for the five scouts and there are a few more roles to fill out, but we're starting to get an idea of what the game looks like.
Based on things we know so far I'm willing to bet that we have all four generals: Jadeite, Nephrite, Zoicite, and Kunzite/Malachite. Each of these (except Kunzite/Malachite, I think - it's been over a decade, cut me some slack) has various minions under them. Homer's claim rings true - if we have a Jadeite then we probably have the other three generals too.
I trust Homer's claim. We should not hang him. If he's not Nephrite, the actual Nephrite should reveal themselves right now. I'm not kidding; that's a fair trade.
It's a good bet we have Zoicite and Kunzite/Malachite; these two should remain hidden as long as possible, regardless of their role. It's possible that Zoicite is the cop and Kunzite/Malachite is.... a vigilante? Hard to say. Zoicite was definitely insightful and tricky, while Malachite could beat the Hell out of all the scouts combined by himself.
We need to decide on some lurkers to hang. And yes, j0 is on the list.
can someone do an updated vote spread please
No changes from the last time, in the future you can Ctrl F "votals" as that's the term I'll use Votals: () means an unvote
[4,L-6] SuperAdrianK: dtewi, theRepublic, (theprof00), noname2200, Khuutra, (Silver-Tiger)
[3,L-7] theprof00: (Khuutra), MetalGear_94, TruckOSaurus, radishhead, (nen-suer)
[3,L-7] gurgleslech: (Hephaesots), theprof00, Kamal, nen-suer
[1,L-9] Khuutra: hatmoza
[0] Hephaestos: (theprof00), (Khuutra), (Silver-Tiger)
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