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Michael-5 on 05 November 2010
theonewhoisme said:

I've always been sure it eventually would happen, after all ps3 has been outselling 360 pretty much constantly since launch, and especially recently it has become clear that it's going to happen it's only a matter of when. 

Anyways it's hard to say when, despite having higher software sales and most likely a higher userbase (since so many 360s broke compared to ps3s) 360 has managed to keep the lead from it's headstart, anyways If I were to guessed I'd say the ps3 will outsell the 360 in total sales around march 2012 I mean 360 doesn't even have any good exclusives coming out next year, but it hasn't had many for awhile and still manages to sell anyways thats my prediction 

These types of threads just cause flame wars, but I'll still give my 2 cents. First let me point out all the wrong things you have said in your post.

1. PS3 has not been outselling the 360 consistantly since launch. In fact the greatest difference in sales was only in Fall 2008 (8.1 million). PS3 versus 360 sales have been fluctuating since launch, and it was only this year that Sony finally brought the difference between PS3's and 360's to below the initial, and not really by much.

2. As for recent sales, you never know. Sony generally outsold the 360 from September 2009 to June 2010, then MS had the advantage for about 4 months, and now PS3 is ahead again due to Move....but what will Kinect do? I think because of a lack of an exclusive lineup (until GT5's release date is confirmed) this fall, and because Kinect will be getting a larger marketing push, 360 will outsell the PS3 this fall, and judguing from to 10 week countdown, most people agree. The fight for sales when it comes to PS3 and 360 is like a tetter totter, when one jumps the other falls, but then the other jumps back. Price Cut, Slim, Slim, Move, Kinect, Price Cut, Price Cut, discontinue...

3. Actually if you look, 360 has higher software sales weekly then the PS3. Just don't look at the Halo or Fable weeks because those will be strongly biased.

4. HDMI 360's have a 2.5% fail rate, where PS3 Slims are 2%, and Wii's are 0.2%. You can't really count 360 sales to be multiples based on ond systems, MS did extend the warrenty. I have an HDMI 360 model, and my old one was counted as defective when it broke, but only 1 purchase was ever made.

5. Good exclusives are argueable, I've seen a few threads and well actually 360 has just as many good exclusives for 2011 as PS3. It's just 360 has a strong fall line-up, so most people aren't focusing on it. Outside from Gears, Forza, and Halo, there is also MechWarrior, XCOM, Prey 2, Panzer Dragoon, Steel Battalion, etc. There is also rumor that FFXIII Versus might go multiplatform (like FFXIII also an exclusive did)

6. Also this year 360 has seen just as many good exclusives as PS3, lets just stop with this one here cause this type of topic always leads to a fan-war. People just have different preferences. Heavy Rain, or Alan Wake? God of War or Splinter Cell? Fable or White Knight Chronicles? Halo or Gran Turismo 5? Mass Effect 2 or Atelier Rorana, Metro 2033 or Mod Nation Racers? Crackdown 2 or MAG? Kinect or Move exclusives? Goes on and on...

Now my opinion? IMHO I do not beleive the PS3 will outsell the 360, unless the PS4 comes out a year after the 360 does. This year is the last big year for PS3 and 360 sales, and I see it going to the 360. Even if PS3 outsells the 360 in the next couple years, the difference will be less then 20%, probably even less then 10%. Thats not enough to outsell the 360, and if Kinect takes off PS3 has no hope.

Microsoft won't let Sony beat them because if the PS3 outsells the 360, MS gaming reputation will be hurt badly. Sony doesn't want to loose either, but MS has larger pockets, and will always retain Americas dominance (so sales will never strongly favor one HD console over the other). I mean just look at Kinect, on it's own it has enough selling potential to keep up with the PS3 Move, but MS still decided to throw a 100 million dollar marketing budget at it.

So assuming both successor consoles are launched on the same year, I would give this range on the sales difference. Minimum 1 million (PS3 outsells the 360 by an average of 20% in the next couple years), Maximum 7 (360 outsells the PS3 by an average of 20%). Both options look equal to me, I know a $200 PS3 should push sales, but a $100 Arcade 360. Thats more tempting, especially since by that point talks of a successor console will be happening.



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Capulous on 05 November 2010
theonewhoisme said:
Capulous said:
theonewhoisme said:
Capulous said:

You mean the America pre-order charts? Well, maybe you should wait on official numbers before you start making all these false claims. Do you have any idea how many units sold everywhere that it was released, and do you also have any idea how many units are available for launch?

Edit: Also not sure how you can get your conclusion based on preorder number either.

They said it was sold out before it was released, as in the pre-orders were sold at

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I believe they told stores to stop taking pre-orders because they would not be able allocate enough units to fill the pre-orders. They need to fill orders for stores that did not do pre-orders (Target, Best Buy, etc), so the stores that had pre-orders could not keep bumping their orders if their pre-order numbers exceeded their initial shipment numbers. Basically they needed to make sure they had enough units to fill initial orders made by multiple companies.

 

Stores that were talking preorders got more shipped in then preorders had, aka not sold out 

Apparently not all, I just checked Amazon.com and they do not have stock. Neither does buy.com, it clearly states that they are sold out of launch days units but they will get more unit in soon. The only sales available are by individual sellers at a huge markup. Target.com and Bestbuy.com does not have any units for sale either. The Kinect Sensor units are sold out in many places.

What pre-order stores have the Kinect Sensor in stock?



theonewhoisme on 05 November 2010
Squilliam said:
theonewhoisme said:
Squilliam said:
theonewhoisme said:
Squilliam said:

Well beyond the point most people don't care anymore if at all. Oh and I think most people stopped caring already.

You're right it's pretty much established ps3 is the better system and has a larger install base now

Nope and im not aware of any substantial proof other than hearsay.

and you have solid proof on no1 caring? I would laugh but it's more pathetic then funny 

You have a problem. Im not going to talk to you as its probably unproductive. If I felt it would be worthwhile I could go back and find a thread from 2007 and show how the number of posts, rate of posting and the number of different participants have fallen but I won't.

Thats what MS does isn't it, cheats to get the lead then when they lose say it doesn't matter no1 cares, thats what they've been doing with timed exclusives 



Capulous on 05 November 2010
Michael-5 said:

Microsoft won't let Sony beat them because if the PS3 outsells the 360, MS gaming reputation will be hurt badly. Sony doesn't want to loose either, but MS has larger pockets, and will always retain Americas dominance (so sales will never strongly favor one HD console over the other). I mean just look at Kinect, on it's own it has enough selling potential to keep up with the PS3 Move, but MS still decided to throw a 100 million dollar marketing budget at it.

So assuming both successor consoles are launched on the same year, I would give this range on the sales difference. Minimum 1 million (PS3 outsells the 360 by an average of 20% in the next couple years), Maximum 7 (360 outsells the PS3 by an average of 20%). Both options look equal to me, I know a $200 PS3 should push sales, but a $100 Arcade 360. Thats more tempting, especially since by that point talks of a successor console will be happening.

I don't think that would happen. See what the 360 has done compared to what the original Xbox did. I think MS will be fine and they will continue to do well if it happens.



Solid_Snake4RD on 05 November 2010
yo_john117 said:

Here are the all the possible situations I can think of.

1. KINECT completely bombs

this option is valid as is with every product

but won't happen because of marketing as even of a product isn't good,it will sell when it is backed by a $500m marketing campaign.that is just how society works.

2. KINECT has a really bad start but over time does better due to better games being released and software updates that improve on it 

this option is surely not happening as the launch will be the biggest selling period for kinect.and it coolness will decrease not increase overtime,its just how it works

3. KINECT starts off really well but fails not too long after due to lack of good games and support.

well kinect will start good and will decrease overtime but not completely fail or drop dead kind but it won't have consistent top-notch or good sales,just a decreasing sales trend

4. KINECT starts out great and continues to do great for a couple of years (like the Wii)

this tottaly not happening

I personally think KINECT will be like the Wii (on a much lesser scale) and sell pretty dang good for a couple of years.  The only reason I could see KINECT flopping is if people just don't like it or if its not supported by good games.

just not gonna happen.it will be nowhere near Wii

it will have a good or substantial start cause of the coolness,the new thing,hype,marketing but will decline alot after christmas and it sales will not be consistent

XBOX 360 has an image of teenage and man game toy like the PS3,Wii like crowd will never easily adopt to it.it has a huge price and that its not a standalone thing so people get confused.and the XBOX brand isn't as strong as the Nintendo.this is all just for the USA region and to UK region.it will be a whole different tale in the other region where is 360 is already weak


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theonewhoisme on 05 November 2010
Michael-5 said:
theonewhoisme said:

I've always been sure it eventually would happen, after all ps3 has been outselling 360 pretty much constantly since launch, and especially recently it has become clear that it's going to happen it's only a matter of when. 

Anyways it's hard to say when, despite having higher software sales and most likely a higher userbase (since so many 360s broke compared to ps3s) 360 has managed to keep the lead from it's headstart, anyways If I were to guessed I'd say the ps3 will outsell the 360 in total sales around march 2012 I mean 360 doesn't even have any good exclusives coming out next year, but it hasn't had many for awhile and still manages to sell anyways thats my prediction 

These types of threads just cause flame wars, but I'll still give my 2 cents. First let me point out all the wrong things you have said in your post.

1. PS3 has not been outselling the 360 consistantly since launch. In fact the greatest difference in sales was only in Fall 2008 (8.1 million). PS3 versus 360 sales have been fluctuating since launch, and it was only this year that Sony finally brought the difference between PS3's and 360's to below the initial, and not really by much.

2. As for recent sales, you never know. Sony generally outsold the 360 from September 2009 to June 2010, then MS had the advantage for about 4 months, and now PS3 is ahead again due to Move....but what will Kinect do? I think because of a lack of an exclusive lineup (until GT5's release date is confirmed) this fall, and because Kinect will be getting a larger marketing push, 360 will outsell the PS3 this fall, and judguing from to 10 week countdown, most people agree. The fight for sales when it comes to PS3 and 360 is like a tetter totter, when one jumps the other falls, but then the other jumps back. Price Cut, Slim, Slim, Move, Kinect, Price Cut, Price Cut, discontinue...

3. Good exclusives are argueable, I've seen a few threads and well actually 360 has just as many good exclusives for 2011 as PS3. It's just 360 has a strong fall line-up, so most people aren't focusing on it. Outside from Gears, Forza, and Halo, there is also MechWarrior, XCOM, Prey 2, etc. There is also rumor that FFXIII Versus might go multiplatform (like FFXIII also an exclusive did)

4. Also this year 360 has seen just as many good exclusives as PS3, lets just stop with this one here cause this type of topic always leads to a fan-war. People just have different preferences. Heavy Rain, or Alan Wake? God of War or Splinter Cell? Fable or White Knight Chronicles? Halo or Gran Turismo 5? Mass Effect 2 or Atelier Rorana, Metro 2033 or Mod Nation Racers? Crackdown 2 or MAG? Kinect or Move exclusives? Goes on and on...

Now my opinion? IMHO I do not beleive the PS3 will outsell the 360, unless the PS4 comes out a year after the 360 does. This year is the last big year for PS3 and 360 sales, and I see it going to the 360. Even if PS3 outsells the 360 in the next couple years, the difference will be less then 20%, probably even less then 10%. Thats not enough to outsell the 360, and if Kinect takes off PS3 has no hope.

Microsoft won't let Sony beat them because if the PS3 outsells the 360, MS gaming reputation will be hurt badly. Sony doesn't want to loose either, but MS has larger pockets, and will always retain Americas dominance (so sales will never strongly favor one HD console over the other). I mean just look at Kinect, on it's own it has enough selling potential to keep up with the PS3 Move, but MS still decided to throw a 100 million dollar marketing budget at it.

So assuming both successor consoles are launched on the same year, I would give this range on the sales difference. Minimum 1 million (PS3 outsells the 360 by an average of 20% in the next couple years), Maximum 7 (360 outsells the PS3 by an average of 20%). Both options look equal to me, I know a $200 PS3 should push sales, but a $100 Arcade 360. Thats more tempting, especially since by that point talks of a successor console will be happening.

1. I know it hasn't been consistent I admit I worded that badly, but ps3 has been outselling 360 alot more often then 360 has been outselling ps3

2. MS didn't have the advantage, and move didn't make the difference, VG chartz was just wrong, look at the shipped numbers, unless you think Sony is shipping more and more every quarter without their first shipment selling and kinect isn't going to do anymore then move, they'll cancel each other out, move will probably do better in the long run 

3. Those games aren't exclusive, most of them are 360/pc with a chance to come to ps3 as for FFXIII it was announced multiplat over a year before launch I hardly call that an exclusive, maybe formerly announced as an exclusive, and while yes versus has a chance to go multiplat I doubt it, the game was developed for the ps3 and is an action rpg not a turnbased one, it would be alot harder to port and they have less time, if it does go multiplat it would get delayed into 2012 

4. Not really, you over looked both demon's souls and valkyria chronicles for white knight chronicles the worst of the 3 not to mention uncharted to gears and infamous to crackdown would have been better comparisons, conviction is a timed exclusive (every single splinter cell game has been a timed exclusive) and mass effect 2 has been announced for ps3 besides the games you listed what do you have forza? I could add 10 games easily to the ones you mentioned for ps3 

lol ps3 has been outselling 360 the whole year except for 1 week when reach launched and kinect isn't going to do much, and again 360s games are dwindling and Sony has a lock on all developing markets, worse case they shift focus and outsell after 360 is discounted, but I doubt it will even go that far, and relative to time ps3 has been selling more anyways so your point of it not mattering is kinda moot 

Kinect doesn't have potential, the concept has potential but the actual tech doesn't, the hype will fade soon enough, you'll see, as for 360 dominate in NA, they aren't ahead by that much in NA now and losing ALL of the other world, NA might be the biggest market but it isn't bigger then the rest of the world put together 

So your saying the only possible way 360 could outsell ps3 lifetime is if it was on the market for a year longer, that seems to be accurate, but even if they both successors came out on the same year ps3 would still outsell 360 because of Sony's lock on developing countries that 360 doesn't even ship to 



Solid_Snake4RD on 05 November 2010
Squilliam said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:
Squilliam said:

Well beyond the point most people don't care anymore if at all. Oh and I think most people stopped caring already.


who is talking about caring,we debate on this site on all kinds of things

 

now if you just debate and and predict just because you want to fight over it,that is you squill

Its been debated for so long.

PS3 will outsell 360 by:

2007
2008
2009
2010
2011
2012

Another year of the PS3 not outselling the 360 and yet here we are with people talking about it like it matters anymore.

the gap was around 8m last time when PS3 had a pricecut and

 

the gap is 2.9m shipped now and decreasing.

 

it will be lower than this or even if it stays equivalent to this till the next PS3 pricecut

PS3 will outsell 360 easily

 

not if you just want to nullify a valid reason then its your choice

 

and not many debated PS3 would outsell 360 all of those years so keep making up your comments



Shorty11857 on 05 November 2010
gekkokamen said:

it's not 3 million or 3.9, or whatever, it's around 500K right now. The whole worldwide gap has been overcome. ANYWAY there are MORE FUNCTIONING PS3s in the worldwide world, and that's what it counts ANYWAY!!!! People who bought a system that no longer functions don't buy software or add-ons or pay susbscriptions!


360 44.5 million shipped
PS3 41.62 million shipped

Unless Sony have shipped 2.5 million more than Microsoft in the last month it's pretty close to 3 million



Squilliam on 05 November 2010
Solid_Snake4RD said:
Squilliam said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:
Squilliam said:

Well beyond the point most people don't care anymore if at all. Oh and I think most people stopped caring already.


who is talking about caring,we debate on this site on all kinds of things

 

now if you just debate and and predict just because you want to fight over it,that is you squill

Its been debated for so long.

PS3 will outsell 360 by:

2007
2008
2009
2010
2011
2012

Another year of the PS3 not outselling the 360 and yet here we are with people talking about it like it matters anymore.

the gap was around 8m last time when PS3 had a pricecut and

 

the gap is 2.9m shipped now and decreasing.

 

it will be lower than this or even if it stays equivalent to this till the next PS3 pricecut

PS3 will outsell 360 easily

 

not if you just want to nullify a valid reason then its your choice

 

and not many debated PS3 would outsell 360 all of those years so keep making up your comments

Bold 1: You're comparing Vgchartz numbers and shipped numbers.

Bold 2: If you'd actually read / participated since 2007 you would know differently.



Tease.

gekkokamen on 05 November 2010
Shorty11857 said:
gekkokamen said:

it's not 3 million or 3.9, or whatever, it's around 500K right now. The whole worldwide gap has been overcome. ANYWAY there are MORE FUNCTIONING PS3s in the worldwide world, and that's what it counts ANYWAY!!!! People who bought a system that no longer functions don't buy software or add-ons or pay susbscriptions!


360 44.5 million shipped
PS3 41.62 million shipped

Unless Sony have shipped 2.5 million more than Microsoft in the last month it's pretty close to 3 million

They could've shipped even more than that EASILY, seeing as Sony covers a much bigger grid worldwide, are you aware of that? So yeah, it's only a matter of a couple of months before it becomes official. There are more PS3s , and functioning ones lots more than 360s too!