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CGI-Quality said:
richardhutnik said:
CGI-Quality said:
richardhutnik said:
WereKitten said:
richardhutnik said:

It would be beneficial if those who create GAMES not be so full of themselves.  I have had deeper and more rewarding experiences, with more replayability, playing some boardgames than I have had playing a number of videogames.  The pretention that you think you creating a game needs to be thought of as some work of art is of higher form than even movies is absurd.  Get over yourself designers.  Stop trying to think you need to do movies.  Your compete with movies experience will end up bankrupting the industry for one thing.  And, when you have such pretention, you do something like, "Press X to Jason" ends up looking WAY out of place.

Now excuse me if my next game I play is Kirby's Epic Yarn.  Sorry if this is too much of a toy and too boardgamish for you game designer.

You really need to cut out this bullshit about bankruptcy. Had the game been a disaster on sales, you may have validity. But since you have a known history of trashing this game, and the game is FAR ahead of it's original projection, that's just not making sense.

What I do know is the videogame industry has this resentment or envy of the movie industry, and there is a push to try to create a movie-like experience in games.  This is a major reason for production costs going up regarding games, combine with the industry whining about how used games are harming them, and Kotick going off how he can repackage cut scenes as a movie for people to watch.  The industry is operating on razor thin profits, because it keeps driving production costs up.  How many games do you think will be profitable if the average budget is $100 million to make a game?  What I do know is BOARDGAMES are a lot less money to develop, and generally have greater replayability than the wannabe movie.

Please go and argue how the videogame industry is in fine shape from a profitability standpoint.  I would like to hear your argument regarding this.  I said profitability, not REVENUES.

This doesn't apply to HR, as it's budget was nowhere near $100 million. And I'm not sure what relevance the game's budget has anyway.


It becomes relevant when the DEVELOPER of a game that is interactive fiction, and going for a movie-like experience, ends up bringing up boardgames.  I speak to the MENTALITY.  It is this mentality which does lead to an arms race to increase costs to try to capture the movie experience more.  It does have an impact, and to show why would take up too much space here at this time.  Again, show how the videogame industry isn't trying to morph itself into the movie industry on the upper end in what they are doing in the AAA front.  And then, if they are, go and show how this isn't a problem for the bottom line.



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All game systems are toys, as in there something you play with



Do unto others as they would do unto you.......only do it first!

oh what that was a douche statement.



richardhutnik said:
Smidlee said:

Speaking of board games ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrBauG5FhZA&feature=player_embedded

:)

That is the second attempt to do the computer game as a boardgame actually.  The first one was done by Eagle Games and got VERY mixed reviews.  It had issues and didn't work right.  However, you do see some of those elements in that attempt to Civilization: Revolution.  On another note, there IS another boardgame called "Civilization" which was a boardgame first.  It is a classic.  Usually will take a full day to play though.


Notice how they mention that they scaled down the thing to "an evening experience".  Something that is usually a key part of Board and Parlour games.  Obviously, there are people who will go hardcore and play much bigger scale games, like Warhammer 40K or something similar.  But they're the obvious exceptions, not the rules.  Now just like the Wii is more centered around small and casual gameplay sessions, there are still hardcore games made for it (mostly by Nintendo themselves).   When you consider the game library of the Wii, it's really not difficult to understand where the kind of claims that Cage made are coming from.

Truth hurts indeed.  But you take offence over nothing and blow it all out of proportion, like you're overly insecure.



CGI-Quality said:
Carl2291 said:

Incoming 100 post thread filled with "Wii is doomzed" posts and general crying!

I can understand the upset................in hindsight. But when you really sit down and listen to his words, he's just saying the PS3 and Wii are in different leagues, that the PS3 can do things the Wii cannot. Not really untruthful in that regard.

He didn't flat out insult it, or call it "doomed" though.


Right, but you see, these are "video game consoles"...or atleast, that's what they're suppose to be. Having HD movies,Twitter,Facebook,Internet browser,movie rentals,home and anything else the PS3 has over the Wii doesn't make it any more of a video game console or any less of a toy. It just makes it more of an "entertainment" device.

 

The Wii is like a modern NES. It's here to play games...period. I for one appreciate that.



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CGI-Quality said:

Your fist paragraph actually elaborates more on what he was saying, than disproving it.

But you last line could be said of any of the current day consoles. The PS3 (and 360 for that matter) can just do more than the Wii (which was really the bottom line to his point) On the issue of apprececiation I, personally, appreciate all 3 consoles because they all bring something unique (which is why I have all 3).


I would have all three, if I could afford them. All have cool games I want to try.



A flashy-first game is awesome when it comes out. A great-first game is awesome forever.

Plus, just for the hell of it: Kelly Brook at the 2008 BAFTAs

fun toy lol




       

I'll just write this. If he meant "toy" out of respect, okay. If he meant "toy" as an insult, he is a fool.

"When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up." - C. S. Lewis



A flashy-first game is awesome when it comes out. A great-first game is awesome forever.

Plus, just for the hell of it: Kelly Brook at the 2008 BAFTAs

The Wii is seriously outdated tech when compared to PS3 or 360 and even more so when compared to PC. Even so it has proven to provide a fun and now universally duplicated control method. Yes, there are very few companies who can make amazing AAA games on the Wii. The Wii is a good console but not a great one. It has only a handful of truly AAA games and a bunch of A to AA titles. It is worth buying simple as that.



"Well, I disagree that they are few companies that CAN make a "AAA" title on the Wii. It's more that few CHOOSE to put forth the same effort to make a "AAA" game on the Wii. I mean, come on, Nintendo practically carried the system themselves. I'm against always thinking the Wii is always a victim, but that's still unacceptable."

STOP STEALING MY THOUGHTS!



A flashy-first game is awesome when it comes out. A great-first game is awesome forever.

Plus, just for the hell of it: Kelly Brook at the 2008 BAFTAs