I guess MS believe they'll be able to manufacture more Kinect units in time for Christmas. All the marketing, news and pre-orders suggest Kinect will be huge this holiday season.
Squilliam said:
Console sales will definately increase. By how much? I cannot say. I guess we'll find out but I would hate to speculate ahead of time. Could they skyrocket? Could the Xbox 360 outsell the Wii? Maybe actually thats a good question. The only thing im confident in is that 2010 will be the Xbox 360s peak year thus far and this would be at minimum a 5th calendar year peak. Will the Xbox 360 catch the Wii? Probably not. However it'll come much closer IMO and perhaps make any casual observer looking back forget how powerful the Wii was in its first few years. |
Yeah, I agree with you on that. Next year will by MS's peak year. The ONLY way I personally believe MS will pass the Wii is if they kill 2 birds with 1 stone. They bring in both the semi-temporary casual gamer and the permanent gamer into the equation, but as we can see from this year, the production of MS game studios has slowed down, so I doubt this.
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Squilliam said:
I don't really see them looking to Move at all for their numbers. They already have data and that data gets better as they can see the feedback from their recent advertising moves with Ellen and Oprah etc. Remember both Brett and Pachter has Move for 5M unique users by March, they are looking at 5M within 8 weeks. Completely different sales rates. |
Well you're right in that they will obviously have their own data on sales projections and may have been able to refine that data based on recent feedback. However, the only hard numbers available on how sales may perform comes from pre-order data and Move sell through. As many have already said, pre-order data may not be all that useful for casual friendly products so I see no reason why they wouldn't adjust projections based off a competitors sales. Granted the two products are not identical but they are going after the same markets (again MS will likely do much better in the area of attracting new casual owners). If Sony underestimated the demand from potential Wii owners or Wii owners who wish to 'upgrade' (as seems evident by their recent statements, backed up by the EMEAA data) then MS may have done similar and are now correcting their projections based on actually data. Only speculation of course.
CrazyHorse said:
Well you're right in that they will obviously have their own data on sales projections and may have been able to refine that data based on recent feedback. However, the only hard numbers available on how sales may perform comes from pre-order data and Move sell through. As many have already said, pre-order data may not be all that useful for casual friendly products so I see no reason why they wouldn't adjust projections based off a competitors sales. Granted the two products are not identical but they are going after the same markets (again MS will likely do much better in the area of attracting new casual owners). If Sony underestimated the demand from potential Wii owners or Wii owners who wish to 'upgrade' (as seems evident by their recent statements, backed up by the EMEAA data) then MS may have done similar and are now correcting their projections based on actually data. Only speculation of course. |
They have more data than that.
The main reason why I am kind of doubtful of their taking major cues from Move is that Move is on a competing console and is targeting a completely different audience. It is quite likely that both Move and Kinect could co-exist on the Xbox 360 without too much overlap. Furthermore like I said before, Moves sales rate is still quite a bit lower than their original projections.
As for Wii owners looking to upgrade, well, maybe. I can't really comment on what they want to do. Data on that is very hard to come by so therefore I will have to take Sony's word on that.
Tease.
Squilliam said:
They have more data than that.
The main reason why I am kind of doubtful of their taking major cues from Move is that Move is on a competing console and is targeting a completely different audience. It is quite likely that both Move and Kinect could co-exist on the Xbox 360 without too much overlap. Furthermore like I said before, Moves sales rate is still quite a bit lower than their original projections. As for Wii owners looking to upgrade, well, maybe. I can't really comment on what they want to do. Data on that is very hard to come by so therefore I will have to take Sony's word on that. |
Yes all that data will be used to provide projections but it is only based on estimates and opinions where as Move data is actual sell through data, after all people can and do change their minds after focus groups and opinion polls ect. Sony will have used all the methods you outline to provide their own projections for Move which appears to have underestimated demand and so MS may feel their projections were also cautious. Not sure that the sales rates are too relevant in this case as Move has, and will continue to sell, more than enough units to provide useful data to similar products. To clarify, I'm aware their will be differences in target audiences but there is also enough overlap to make the units somewhat comparable. MS most likely haven't taken major cues from Move but I'd be a little surprised if it hasn't affected there forecasts at all.
CrazyHorse said:
Yes all that data will be used to provide projections but it is only based on estimates and opinions where as Move data is actual sell through data, after all people can and do change their minds after focus groups and opinion polls ect. Sony will have used all the methods you outline to provide their own projections for Move which appears to have underestimated demand and so MS may feel their projections were also cautious. Not sure that the sales rates are too relevant in this case as Move has, and will continue to sell, more than enough units to provide useful data to similar products. To clarify, I'm aware their will be differences in target audiences but there is also enough overlap to make the units somewhat comparable. MS most likely haven't taken major cues from Move but I'd be a little surprised if it hasn't affected there forecasts at all. |
You may be right but I cannot say that at this point theres anything to prove either way. Im doubtful theres going to be a MS executive standing up and saying that due to Move sales exceeding projections they upped their own forecasts. 
Tease.
Well, call me a fool if you like, but executive selling their stock in the company is NEVER a good sign.
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6A501K20101106 - Ballmer selling off 12% share in MS.
http://www.gurufocus.com/news.php?id=111611 - Lots of other execs. doing the same thing lately.
“When we make some new announcement and if there is no positive initial reaction from the market, I try to think of it as a good sign because that can be interpreted as people reacting to something groundbreaking. ...if the employees were always minding themselves to do whatever the market is requiring at any moment, and if they were always focusing on something we can sell right now for the short term, it would be very limiting. We are trying to think outside the box.” - Satoru Iwata - This is why corporate multinationals will never truly understand, or risk doing, what Nintendo does.
| megaman79 said: Well, call me a fool if you like, but executive selling their stock in the company is NEVER a good sign. http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6A501K20101106 - Ballmer selling off 12% share in MS. http://www.gurufocus.com/news.php?id=111611 - Lots of other execs. doing the same thing lately. |
The headline is quite misleading,
Nsanity said:
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Have I done something wrong?
“When we make some new announcement and if there is no positive initial reaction from the market, I try to think of it as a good sign because that can be interpreted as people reacting to something groundbreaking. ...if the employees were always minding themselves to do whatever the market is requiring at any moment, and if they were always focusing on something we can sell right now for the short term, it would be very limiting. We are trying to think outside the box.” - Satoru Iwata - This is why corporate multinationals will never truly understand, or risk doing, what Nintendo does.
megaman79 said:
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I'm talking about the article headline in general.
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