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jarrod said:
I LOVE GIGGS said:

According to the last graph, ModernWarfare 2 is a lot bigger than Halo 3 in the US and both of them sold less than 7 million.

According to VGChartz, Halo 3 sold more ~8.07 million in NA and Modern Warfare 2 sold ~8.01.


The graph doesn't include sales bundled with hardware.  That's also why WSR is so low comparably, and Wii Sports is missing entirely.

The report is also citing NPD US data, which typically accounts for 85-90% of the Americas.




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Mummelmann said:


I saw the context, it is still false, it has lost tremendous amounts of momentum compared to last years and especially compared to the competition. His insistence on comparing the graphs with the longlived PS2 puzzles me...

So you'd prefer that he not compare his console to the best-selling home console of all time, especially when that comparison is favorable to his product?   The Wii is following the usual console sales curve, so its year-on-year decline is not unexpected.

As for your other point, let us be blunt: the PS3 and 360 are experiencing abnormal growth curves, and more power to them for that, but they're still never going to outsell the Wii.  If you're Iwata, it's much more interesting (read: influential) to say that you're on track to outsell the top-selling system of all time than it is to say "the contemporary systems are now outselling us: at the current rate, they'll top us in XXX years."  It's certainly less influential to say that to investors.  So is it an incomplete picture?  As I said, yes.  Is it a false one?  No, it is not.  It may not be what you want to hear him say, but it's not a lie either.



noname2200 said:
Mummelmann said:


I saw the context, it is still false, it has lost tremendous amounts of momentum compared to last years and especially compared to the competition. His insistence on comparing the graphs with the longlived PS2 puzzles me...

So you'd prefer that he not compare his console to the best-selling home console of all time, especially when that comparison is favorable to his product?   The Wii is following the usual console sales curve, so its year-on-year decline is not unexpected.

As for your other point, let us be blunt: the PS3 and 360 are experiencing abnormal growth curves, and more power to them for that, but they're still never going to outsell the Wii.  If you're Iwata, it's much more interesting (read: influential) to say that you're on track to outsell the top-selling system of all time than it is to say "the contemporary systems are now outselling us: at the current rate, they'll top us in XXX years."  It's certainly less influential to say that to investors.  So is it an incomplete picture?  As I said, yes.  Is it a false one?  No, it is not.  It may not be what you want to hear him say, but it's not a lie either.

But, this is the exact type of spin that people have condemned Sony and Microsoft for this entire generation. I expected more from the msot venerable sould in gaming today.

PS: The Wii's year-on-year decline is as unprecedented as its tremendous sales in the beginning (this kind of decline occurrs for every console but not directly following a very strong sales year and certainly not while the runner up's are experiencing growth, the Wii curve anything but typical, as is this entire generation). The brightest flames burn quickest.



Mummelmann said:
noname2200 said:
Mummelmann said:

"can never be considered to have lost momentum"

I'm sorry, Iwata, that is an insane statement and a false one at that. Is he denying that the Wii, that previously outsold the competition combined now has been beaten by both individually for many, many consecutive weeks? The two companies he doesn't even consider competitors because they're so far behind and inferior has outsold his product by a great deal lately and one of them is only trailing one million behind in total sales for the year so far but was utterly dominated last year.This is the very definition of losing momentum in my book.  I love Iwata, I do, but sometimes I wonder if he has snorted something with good old Crazy Ken!

Context matters.  In this case, the preceding paragraph shows what he means.

"Iwata also laid out comparisons showing cumulative U.S. sales for the Wii 23 percent higher than those for the best-selling PS2 system at this same point in its lifecycle. U.S. Wii sales for the first three quarters of the fifth year of availability were also 22 percent higher that similar sales for the PS2.  

"I hope each and all these charts will convince you that Wii, as a machine set to welcome its fifth holiday sales season, can never be considered to have lost momentum," Iwata said.  "

The comment is thus an accurate, if incomplete, one.


I saw the context, it is still false, it has lost tremendous amounts of momentum compared to last years and especially compared to the competition. His insistence on comparing the graphs with the longlived PS2 puzzles me, the Wii competes with the PS360 and the assured hardware record the Wii would set (selling more lifetime than the PS2) just a year or less back in time has now become moot headshakes and disbelief, it will never reach that goal at, showing that;

A: All projections from both Nintendo and Vgchartz analysts were wrong, how many times has TheSource assured everyone that the Wii is well on its way to easily beating the PS2's lifetime sales?

B: Going by point A, it has to have lost a whole lot of momentum for all past projections (including Nintendo's internal fiscal ones, lowered two times in under a year) to have suddenly been rendered comepetely worthless.

Edit; Iwata also adresses the US only market here, yet another factor making his statements confusing at best. Its not doing so hot in Japan and is being soundly beaten in EMEAA.


Iwata's centered on the US market in his comments there though, I think there's still very much a possibility that Wii could pass PS2 here (though worldwide is out, due chiefly to the JP slowdown and PS2 releasing in more markets).  You seem to be mixing markets here, the momentum comment is purely US, yet you're talking about global revisions and such?



Mummelmann said:

But, this is the exact type of spin that people have condemned Sony and Microsoft for this entire generation. I expected more from the msot venerable sould in gaming today.

PS: The Wii's year-on-year decline is as unprecedented as its tremendous sales in the beginning (this kind of decline occurrs for every console but not directly following a very strong sales year and certainly not while the runner up's are experiencing growth, the Wii curve anything but typical, as is this entire generation). The brightest flames burn quickest.

For the underlined: why?

For the post-script: except that the data from this very thread shows that that's not really the case...  hence the comparison to the PS2...  It started higher than the PS2, and its new lows are still trending higher than the PS2.  Perhaps you're thinking of its performance in Japan...?



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Mummelmann said:
noname2200 said:
Mummelmann said:


I saw the context, it is still false, it has lost tremendous amounts of momentum compared to last years and especially compared to the competition. His insistence on comparing the graphs with the longlived PS2 puzzles me...

So you'd prefer that he not compare his console to the best-selling home console of all time, especially when that comparison is favorable to his product?   The Wii is following the usual console sales curve, so its year-on-year decline is not unexpected.

As for your other point, let us be blunt: the PS3 and 360 are experiencing abnormal growth curves, and more power to them for that, but they're still never going to outsell the Wii.  If you're Iwata, it's much more interesting (read: influential) to say that you're on track to outsell the top-selling system of all time than it is to say "the contemporary systems are now outselling us: at the current rate, they'll top us in XXX years."  It's certainly less influential to say that to investors.  So is it an incomplete picture?  As I said, yes.  Is it a false one?  No, it is not.  It may not be what you want to hear him say, but it's not a lie either.

But, this is the exact type of spin that people have condemned Sony and Microsoft for this entire generation. I expected more from the msot venerable sould in gaming today.

PS: The Wii's year-on-year decline is as unprecedented as its tremendous sales in the beginning (this kind of decline occurrs for every console but not directly following a very strong sales year and certainly not while the runner up's are experiencing growth, the Wii curve anything but typical, as is this entire generation). The brightest flames burn quickest.

Actually, Wii's YOY decline isn't unprecedented at all, that's precisely what the PS2 comparison shows.  In fact, it's almost identical to PS2's decline.  This isn't a first, it's business as usual.

Another thing to consider, Xbox 1 peaked in 2004 in the US, and actually outsold PS2 for several months that year (including September and November) and sold comparably to PS2 in general, so a late term competitor rise isn't unprecedented for the US either.  SNES vs Genesis is another good comparison (and probably better), the latter actually led the US market until 1994 when SNES came back and took it overall, 5 years into the cycle.



I LOVE GIGGS said:

According to the last graph, ModernWarfare 2 is a lot bigger than Halo 3 in the US and both of them sold less than 7 million.

According to VGChartz, Halo 3 sold more ~8.07 million in NA and Modern Warfare 2 sold ~8.01.

IIRC that graph has the SKUs split.  So Legendary, Prestige, etc editions aren't counted.



jarrod said:

Copied from Gamasutra....

Japan has been the brightest spot for sales of the Wii, Nintendo's data shows, with overall sales rising to represent over 50 percent of the home console market so far in 2010, just ahead of the PS3's 42 percent share of the market.  


Now that's one very very interesting way to interpret Japanise market ;) Whole this speech sounds more like damage control to stop share holders from selling Nintendo stocks.



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radishhead said:

The Wii's low failure rate will mean that it'll probably never beat the PS2 :(

So I guess when the DS beats the PS2, it won't be a big deal due to any family with more than one kid having more than one DS?

I actually consider this to be the case, but I'm sure many here don't.