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badgenome said:
BengaBenga said:

The one thing that always surprises me about most Republicans and Tea-Partiers in special is this strange mix of ideas of wanting less government in fiscal issues (which is good, I'm a liberal in the European meaning of the word - comes from being liberated from government) but at the same time want tons of government in your livingroom - no gay marriage, no abortion etc.

I saw an interview with Charlie Christ and he is how I would want to see a politician. He says he wants to limit government in ALL aspects of one's life. Now that's consistent.

I've never heard anyone accuse Charlie Crist of being consistent before, but it's always good to see you around, Benga.


lol, well he was in that few interviews I saw, but maybe he wants to re-invent himself as he's running as an independent. I'm not from the US, I just visit regularly for work and love to follow US politics so I might just have missed his worse moments.



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agardini51 said:

The thing that bugs me about some of these people is the fact that they keep complaining that the Government is spending way too much money and the fact that the stimulus was a waste of money. All of the people that I know that complain about the stimulus money spent it right away. If they really thought it was a bad idea they should have shipped the checks right back to the Treasury. And when in a recession the Government has to spend money to try and pull it out, and then save up money when things are going good. It's pretty basic economics. Another thing that bugs me is the people who think it was a bad idea to save the banks and the car companies. If they think now is bad, how bad would the economy be with no banks, no mortgage companies, and no car companies. Talk about a depression..

The next two years will probably get nothing accomplished if the Repubs take control of Congress as they have already stated that they will not compromise on anything what so ever. It will be a sad day if they do get control. (And this all coming from a person who did not vote for Obama in the election.) I honestly think that he has done a decent enough job considering all that is going on.

Th simple truth is that the government is spending too much money ...

Total government spending in the United States is approaching 45% of GDP, with a federal deficit at 10% of GDP, and gross public debt approaching 120% of GDP; and these are all levels which are dangerous. With spending so high the government is crowding out private industry, and the size of government debt indicates that the US is close to defaulting and that risk is growing very rapidly due to the size of the deficit.

Now, the government spent hundreds of billions of dollars on stimulus in order to create jobs and it had no measureable impact on jobs. There is no way to know what the job market would have been like without the stimulus, but it is certainly understandable to suggest that things wouldn't be much worse being that the unemployment rate is lower than the government's worst case projection.



Kasz216 said:
Nirvana_Nut85 said:

The Tea PArty Movement was great when it started as it was originally Ron Paul supporters and 911 truthers who were a huge part of it. The only sad thing is that Fox news and The GOP have tried to hijack it, but as we speak alot of them are being discredited thanks to our good friends over at Infowars.com :)


911 truthers... :/

What's wrong with that? I think you'd have to be a complete moron to believe the "official" story. If you question the events of that day then your classified as a "truther".



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Lol, I thought this thread was about Alice in Wonderland.XD



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There are a couple of people on this site who I think would  are so desperate for conservative ideas that they'll put their hopes in anything. Maybe the Tea Party started with good intentions, but let's not pretend for a second that it hasn't been absorbed the Neo-Cons. We've seen the same thing happen to George Bush Senior and John McCain. Don't fall for the same crap over and over. I mean, really. I respect Ron Paul probably more than almost any other politician in the country, but his son is an idiot (and the other Tea Party candidates leave much to be desired).

I also was really saddened when I saw Mafoo say that he liked Ronald Reagan, and then I got even more depressed when I was reminded that Ron Paul said the same thing. Why would anyone want to have Washington be full of Ronald Reagan types? So we can have more massive spending? So corporations can get even MORE power? So we can further increase the scope of the military-industrial complex? So we can continue to have a government that works on fear? I'd like to have as few Reagans as possible in office, actually. I was kind of hoping that the Tea Party would destroy the Neo-Cons and reform the Republican Party, but that hope was pretty naive. At least O'Donnell will lose.



 

 

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Nirvana_Nut85 said:
Kasz216 said:
Nirvana_Nut85 said:

The Tea PArty Movement was great when it started as it was originally Ron Paul supporters and 911 truthers who were a huge part of it. The only sad thing is that Fox news and The GOP have tried to hijack it, but as we speak alot of them are being discredited thanks to our good friends over at Infowars.com :)


911 truthers... :/

What's wrong with that? I think you'd have to be a complete moron to believe the "official" story. If you question the events of that day then your classified as a "truther".


I'm actually very curious now what part of the official story is so obviously false that you'd have to be a "moron" to believe it.



BengaBenga said:
Nirvana_Nut85 said:
Kasz216 said:
Nirvana_Nut85 said:

The Tea PArty Movement was great when it started as it was originally Ron Paul supporters and 911 truthers who were a huge part of it. The only sad thing is that Fox news and The GOP have tried to hijack it, but as we speak alot of them are being discredited thanks to our good friends over at Infowars.com :)


911 truthers... :/

What's wrong with that? I think you'd have to be a complete moron to believe the "official" story. If you question the events of that day then your classified as a "truther".


I'm actually very curious now what part of the official story is so obviously false that you'd have to be a "moron" to believe it.

Well the fact that they "claim" for the first time in history, a steel building has collapsed on itself in free fall speed due to fire's heating the steel beams causing them to weaken and collapse seems rather far fetced in my opinion. I'm sure everyone has read by now what truther's claim and what the controlled media say what officially happened but this is the most recent piece of information I could find (Where the Danish scientists found nano thermite in the dust from 9/11) I'll post the vid for yah.  

 

Im sorry but Ill take this guy's word over FOX News :)



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theman88 said:

I am a Republican and i agree that some of them are a little out there   and maybe uneducated.... and unexperienced (A certain current President comes to mind with the unexperienced) But i will say that what they stand for   the main issues, not removing separation of church of state because that needs to stay, but most of their issues are the result of how this country is dissatisfied with our politicians and the corruption in the government. Our government is so screwed up right now and need fresh people in office not the old same incumbents who are lining their wallets and ruining our country



So bush was good Huh?  Considering that The republicans f'ed up so bad that we almost went into a depression.

I think no matter who is in office right now will get hit on the economy.  Bush drove it strait into the ground and left a smoking pile of sh-t where are economy used to be.

I agree if you say we need some one other then a tea party, republican or democrat



Nirvana_Nut85 said:
BengaBenga said:
Nirvana_Nut85 said:
Kasz216 said:
Nirvana_Nut85 said:

The Tea PArty Movement was great when it started as it was originally Ron Paul supporters and 911 truthers who were a huge part of it. The only sad thing is that Fox news and The GOP have tried to hijack it, but as we speak alot of them are being discredited thanks to our good friends over at Infowars.com :)


911 truthers... :/

What's wrong with that? I think you'd have to be a complete moron to believe the "official" story. If you question the events of that day then your classified as a "truther".


I'm actually very curious now what part of the official story is so obviously false that you'd have to be a "moron" to believe it.

Well the fact that they "claim" for the first time in history, a steel building has collapsed on itself in free fall speed due to fire's heating the steel beams causing them to weaken and collapse seems rather far fetced in my opinion. I'm sure everyone has read by now what truther's claim and what the controlled media say what officially happened but this is the most recent piece of information I could find (Where the Danish scientists found nano thermite in the dust from 9/11) I'll post the vid for yah.  

 

 

 

Im sorry but Ill take this guy's word over FOX News :)

So... you think it's just a giant coincidene that Airplanes flew into the Twin towers on the same day?  Or what?

I mean, if it was an elaborte plot to trick people... why bother running a bunch of planes into things when they could of just as eaisly (actually a LOT more eaisly) used bombs to blow up the WTC blame terrorists and have the EXACT same outcome.


You know, without having to simaltaniously set off explosions with a plane crash... and making a situation that would be a LOT easier to detect as false then a regular bombing taking down both buildings?

 

That's the 9/11 truther's biggest problem from the onset.

If the plan was a frame job... there were hundreds of more effective and safer ways to pull it off. (Safer as percentage chance of being caught.)

To believe that 9/11 was staged, you have to believe that the whitehouse wasn't smart enough to realize this, but was smart enough to some how pull off a way overly elaborate con job.



theprof00 said:

Massachusetts is not a huge democratic state. I live here. There is a very large republican base. The only thing Mass has a lot of is minorities and college students who vote during presidential elections but not during senatorial elections. Add on top of that that nobody liked martha coakley. 

You also have to factor in the very sizable contributions that the blue dogs received from healthcare.

How could the healthcare bill pass if there was such a huge division?

Huh?  MA is a huge Democratic area.  I live in the Live Free or Die state and it's not uncommon for dozens of Massholes to be in NH standing at the polls for Democrats on election days because most of the elections aren't very close in MA.  They also come up here for Democratic political rallies from time to time to make the number of Democrats in NH look larger.



 

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