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Calmador on 26 October 2010
kitler53 said:
Calmador said:
kitler53 said:

eh, you're OP was long and presumely filled of stupid comments about how you deserve to get more for less..

it costs money for these companies to maintain the online infrastructure you want to use.  so using services without paying is generally what i call bullocks.  go online pass go!!

If that was so then PC gaming online would've implemented such fee's a century ago. If you haven't read my OP, I encourage you to do so as it is just a scam to get into our(used game buyers in particular) pockets (used game buyers matter us much new game buyers) and surprise surprise its' EA and Activision.. some of the developers that are struggling the most that ask for an online pass. Please read it and think about it.

no, i don't think i'll be reading your OP...that's your fault for writing a wall of text.

and to be quite honest, used game buyers don't matter.  not to the developers anyways.  if the amount of dollars you give the developers is a big fat zero what do they stand to lose from pissing you off??  are you going to stop playing video games?  oh noes, they will face absolutely no reprocussions....whatever will they do with themselves?!?

It wasn't something I can explain in a few words.

Used game buyers matter more then new game buyers in a way actually... read my original post please. But to give you a preview (sigh)..

Used game buyers buy games that new game buyers dont like thus making a negative into a positive. The negative was done when the new game buyer didn't like the new game he/she bought and well put it into the used game market by selling it or traded it in.... and the used game buyer comes along and buys and lets assume keeps it thus giving redemption to the developer of the game from the developers FAILURE to satisfy another gamer who was a new game buyer. See? It gives us more power/influence on the industry and it gives developers a second chance to satisfy us as consumers... whether your a new game buyer or used.... I'm both... like most people here probably are.



All gaming systems, consoles/PC, have thier perks... why fight over preferences? I like Coke and you like Pepsi, that's it, let's not fight over which toy we like best cause that's what they are. Is someone's preference in a toy important or is the relationship between you and your neighbor more important? Answer is obvious, but THE most important thing is your relationship with God almighty. God Bless you in Jesus's name.

I can communicate without talking... I can send a loved one money without actually sending money... and I can commit theft without the product disappearing, the point of theft is the point of theft not one of it's possible symptoms which is the product dissappearing. The thief wants to gain something without paying for it, that's the point of theft, the thief doesn't have to care or anybody else has to care if the product dissappears. The product dissappearing is just a possible symptom of theft. Gifts are sacrfices, in order to give a gift, it has to be a genuine sacrfice/gift, meaning a copy of the game isn't still in your PC. Piracy is theft and/or being a culprit of theft.

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Mr Khan on 26 October 2010

It frankly boggles my mind that anyone who isn't CEO of a publishing company could possibly consider supporting this. Indifference maybe, but support?

 

You're selling out your own interest as a consumer by supporting this. You support hurting your own rights for who? The people who you pay your money to to get a product they made? We have zero obligation to support developers beyond our obligation to follow the law and not pirate

 

There should be legal injunctions against the online passes. They could very well be infringing on consumers' rights



Monster Hunter: pissing me off since 2010.

Barozi on 26 October 2010

I fully support the idea of the online pass. I even think $10 is too low, but at least a good start.

And people who say the game aren't worth to be played and therefore are being sold to others, just read more reviews if you're unsure, play the demo or play it at a friends house BEFORE you make the decision to buy it.


It's not the developers fault that you fell for buying a game that you don't like, it's YOUR own fault.
And everyone who is defending their own mistakes by blaming others (devs) just cannot admit that they were wrong from the start and try make themselves feel better by doing that.

Gamers who don't support this are simply selfish.
Bitching about paying $5 more for a new game and supporting the industry.
We are all gamers. We should unite, so that we are guaranteed to get games in the futures, but the ones who only buy used are the ones who put the knife in our back.

Also consider the following, because I'm sure that many of these people are also the ones who think that gaming is too expensive. It's total BULLSHIT. Gaming is as "expensive" as always and furthermore it's even the cheapest form of digital entertainment. You're getting more for your bucks than going to cinema, buying DVD/Blu-Rays and buying music.
We are very lucky that the prices are how they are, because many of them should (not that I hope they would) actually be much higher.



Mr Khan on 26 October 2010
Barozi said:

I fully support the idea of the online pass. I even think $10 is too low, but at least a good start.

And people who say the game aren't worth to be played and therefore are being sold to others, just read more reviews if you're unsure, play the demo or play it at a friends house BEFORE you make the decision to buy it.


It's not the developers fault that you fell for buying a game that you don't like, it's YOUR own fault.
And everyone who is defending their own mistakes by blaming others (devs) just cannot admit that they were wrong from the start and try make themselves feel better by doing that.

Gamers who don't support this are simply selfish.
Bitching about paying $5 more for a new game and supporting the industry.
We are all gamers. We should unite, so that we are guaranteed to get games in the futures, but the ones who only buy used are the ones who put the knife in our back.

Also consider the following, because I'm sure that many of these people are also the ones who think that gaming is too expensive. It's total BULLSHIT. Gaming is as "expensive" as always and furthermore it's even the cheapest form of digital entertainment. You're getting more for your bucks than going to cinema, buying DVD/Blu-Rays and buying music.
We are very lucky that the prices are how they are, because many of them should (not that I hope they would) actually be much higher.

We're not selfish. We know our rights. And the logic of paying for online services is absurd, because these services are paid for at the initial purchase. One copy of the game goes out into the consumer environment. However that copy changes hands, that's still only one copy of the game that's using those resources. We end up paying them money that they've already told us they don't need.

 

And it's highly pretentious to preach to people about what they should and shouldn't do with their property. They want to sell it, it's their business, that doesn't make them uninformed

We should unite. Against this. Any other action is merely free advertising for a horrendous plan crafted by a few sneaky executives



Monster Hunter: pissing me off since 2010.

Barozi on 26 October 2010
Mr Khan said:
Barozi said:

I fully support the idea of the online pass. I even think $10 is too low, but at least a good start.

And people who say the game aren't worth to be played and therefore are being sold to others, just read more reviews if you're unsure, play the demo or play it at a friends house BEFORE you make the decision to buy it.


It's not the developers fault that you fell for buying a game that you don't like, it's YOUR own fault.
And everyone who is defending their own mistakes by blaming others (devs) just cannot admit that they were wrong from the start and try make themselves feel better by doing that.

Gamers who don't support this are simply selfish.
Bitching about paying $5 more for a new game and supporting the industry.
We are all gamers. We should unite, so that we are guaranteed to get games in the futures, but the ones who only buy used are the ones who put the knife in our back.

Also consider the following, because I'm sure that many of these people are also the ones who think that gaming is too expensive. It's total BULLSHIT. Gaming is as "expensive" as always and furthermore it's even the cheapest form of digital entertainment. You're getting more for your bucks than going to cinema, buying DVD/Blu-Rays and buying music.
We are very lucky that the prices are how they are, because many of them should (not that I hope they would) actually be much higher.

We're not selfish. We know our rights. And the logic of paying for online services is absurd, because these services are paid for at the initial purchase. One copy of the game goes out into the consumer environment. However that copy changes hands, that's still only one copy of the game that's using those resources. We end up paying them money that they've already told us they don't need.

 

And it's highly pretentious to preach to people about what they should and shouldn't do with their property. They want to sell it, it's their business, that doesn't make them uninformed

We should unite. Against this. Any other action is merely free advertising for a horrendous plan crafted by a few sneaky executives

Do what you like to do traitor.



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Mr Khan on 26 October 2010
Barozi said:
Mr Khan said:
Barozi said:

I fully support the idea of the online pass. I even think $10 is too low, but at least a good start.

And people who say the game aren't worth to be played and therefore are being sold to others, just read more reviews if you're unsure, play the demo or play it at a friends house BEFORE you make the decision to buy it.


It's not the developers fault that you fell for buying a game that you don't like, it's YOUR own fault.
And everyone who is defending their own mistakes by blaming others (devs) just cannot admit that they were wrong from the start and try make themselves feel better by doing that.

Gamers who don't support this are simply selfish.
Bitching about paying $5 more for a new game and supporting the industry.
We are all gamers. We should unite, so that we are guaranteed to get games in the futures, but the ones who only buy used are the ones who put the knife in our back.

Also consider the following, because I'm sure that many of these people are also the ones who think that gaming is too expensive. It's total BULLSHIT. Gaming is as "expensive" as always and furthermore it's even the cheapest form of digital entertainment. You're getting more for your bucks than going to cinema, buying DVD/Blu-Rays and buying music.
We are very lucky that the prices are how they are, because many of them should (not that I hope they would) actually be much higher.

We're not selfish. We know our rights. And the logic of paying for online services is absurd, because these services are paid for at the initial purchase. One copy of the game goes out into the consumer environment. However that copy changes hands, that's still only one copy of the game that's using those resources. We end up paying them money that they've already told us they don't need.

 

And it's highly pretentious to preach to people about what they should and shouldn't do with their property. They want to sell it, it's their business, that doesn't make them uninformed

We should unite. Against this. Any other action is merely free advertising for a horrendous plan crafted by a few sneaky executives

Do what you like to do traitor.

I buy all of my games day one when i can and never resell them, even stuff i have little intention of playing again (Crystal Bearers), but i will not stand to have my rights taken away, even the ones i choose not to exercise. Online pass doesn't affect me at all (all the moreso because its limited to consoles i don't own), but it's an atrocious mentality on the part of publishers to think they could get away with it, and we need to stop it before it gets further out of control

It just bugs me to see people actually standing up for this, as i can see few good explanations as to why



Monster Hunter: pissing me off since 2010.

Calmador on 26 October 2010
Barozi said:

I fully support the idea of the online pass. I even think $10 is too low, but at least a good start.

And people who say the game aren't worth to be played and therefore are being sold to others, just read more reviews if you're unsure, play the demo or play it at a friends house BEFORE you make the decision to buy it.


It's not the developers fault that you fell for buying a game that you don't like, it's YOUR own fault.
And everyone who is defending their own mistakes by blaming others (devs) just cannot admit that they were wrong from the start and try make themselves feel better by doing that.

Gamers who don't support this are simply selfish.
Bitching about paying $5 more for a new game and supporting the industry.
We are all gamers. We should unite, so that we are guaranteed to get games in the futures, but the ones who only buy used are the ones who put the knife in our back.

Also consider the following, because I'm sure that many of these people are also the ones who think that gaming is too expensive. It's total BULLSHIT. Gaming is as "expensive" as always and furthermore it's even the cheapest form of digital entertainment. You're getting more for your bucks than going to cinema, buying DVD/Blu-Rays and buying music.
We are very lucky that the prices are how they are, because many of them should (not that I hope they would) actually be much higher.

Reading reviews... playing the demo... even playing it at a friends house.. it doesn't matter... people will still turn around think a game is not for them.

People that pre-order? Have you considered them? They do read reviews and previews but that'll never be enough... not even a demo is enough sometimes... the moment of truth is when the gamer plays the game in full. It's not selfish... it's just something natural that happens... people buy something thinking they'll like it but sometimes they don't and put it in the used market! So yes to those people it IS the developers fault... they were not satisfied[period]

The ones who buy used... as a explained before purify the industry... did you even read my original post?

 



All gaming systems, consoles/PC, have thier perks... why fight over preferences? I like Coke and you like Pepsi, that's it, let's not fight over which toy we like best cause that's what they are. Is someone's preference in a toy important or is the relationship between you and your neighbor more important? Answer is obvious, but THE most important thing is your relationship with God almighty. God Bless you in Jesus's name.

I can communicate without talking... I can send a loved one money without actually sending money... and I can commit theft without the product disappearing, the point of theft is the point of theft not one of it's possible symptoms which is the product dissappearing. The thief wants to gain something without paying for it, that's the point of theft, the thief doesn't have to care or anybody else has to care if the product dissappears. The product dissappearing is just a possible symptom of theft. Gifts are sacrfices, in order to give a gift, it has to be a genuine sacrfice/gift, meaning a copy of the game isn't still in your PC. Piracy is theft and/or being a culprit of theft.

Barozi on 26 October 2010
Calmador said:
Barozi said:

I fully support the idea of the online pass. I even think $10 is too low, but at least a good start.

And people who say the game aren't worth to be played and therefore are being sold to others, just read more reviews if you're unsure, play the demo or play it at a friends house BEFORE you make the decision to buy it.


It's not the developers fault that you fell for buying a game that you don't like, it's YOUR own fault.
And everyone who is defending their own mistakes by blaming others (devs) just cannot admit that they were wrong from the start and try make themselves feel better by doing that.

Gamers who don't support this are simply selfish.
Bitching about paying $5 more for a new game and supporting the industry.
We are all gamers. We should unite, so that we are guaranteed to get games in the futures, but the ones who only buy used are the ones who put the knife in our back.

Also consider the following, because I'm sure that many of these people are also the ones who think that gaming is too expensive. It's total BULLSHIT. Gaming is as "expensive" as always and furthermore it's even the cheapest form of digital entertainment. You're getting more for your bucks than going to cinema, buying DVD/Blu-Rays and buying music.
We are very lucky that the prices are how they are, because many of them should (not that I hope they would) actually be much higher.

Reading reviews... playing the demo... even playing it at a friends house.. it doesn't matter... people will still turn around think a game is not for them.

People that pre-order? Have you considered them? They do read reviews and previews but that'll never be enough... not even a demo is enough sometimes... the moment of truth is when the gamer plays the game in full. It's not selfish... it's just something natural that happens... people buy something thinking they'll like it but sometimes they don't and put it in the used market! So yes to those people it IS the developers fault... they were not satisfied[period]

The ones who buy used... as a explained before purify the industry... did you even read my original post?


You simply need to be stupid if you pre-order a game which you don't know if you'll like it or not.

Again extremely poor excuse to blame others for own mistakes. Even better learn from these mistakes and don't make them over and over again.



Barozi on 26 October 2010
Mr Khan said:
Barozi said:
Mr Khan said:
Barozi said:

I fully support the idea of the online pass. I even think $10 is too low, but at least a good start.

And people who say the game aren't worth to be played and therefore are being sold to others, just read more reviews if you're unsure, play the demo or play it at a friends house BEFORE you make the decision to buy it.


It's not the developers fault that you fell for buying a game that you don't like, it's YOUR own fault.
And everyone who is defending their own mistakes by blaming others (devs) just cannot admit that they were wrong from the start and try make themselves feel better by doing that.

Gamers who don't support this are simply selfish.
Bitching about paying $5 more for a new game and supporting the industry.
We are all gamers. We should unite, so that we are guaranteed to get games in the futures, but the ones who only buy used are the ones who put the knife in our back.

Also consider the following, because I'm sure that many of these people are also the ones who think that gaming is too expensive. It's total BULLSHIT. Gaming is as "expensive" as always and furthermore it's even the cheapest form of digital entertainment. You're getting more for your bucks than going to cinema, buying DVD/Blu-Rays and buying music.
We are very lucky that the prices are how they are, because many of them should (not that I hope they would) actually be much higher.

We're not selfish. We know our rights. And the logic of paying for online services is absurd, because these services are paid for at the initial purchase. One copy of the game goes out into the consumer environment. However that copy changes hands, that's still only one copy of the game that's using those resources. We end up paying them money that they've already told us they don't need.

 

And it's highly pretentious to preach to people about what they should and shouldn't do with their property. They want to sell it, it's their business, that doesn't make them uninformed

We should unite. Against this. Any other action is merely free advertising for a horrendous plan crafted by a few sneaky executives

Do what you like to do traitor.

I buy all of my games day one when i can and never resell them, even stuff i have little intention of playing again (Crystal Bearers), but i will not stand to have my rights taken away, even the ones i choose not to exercise. Online pass doesn't affect me at all (all the moreso because its limited to consoles i don't own), but it's an atrocious mentality on the part of publishers to think they could get away with it, and we need to stop it before it gets further out of control

It just bugs me to see people actually standing up for this, as i can see few good explanations as to why

And I haven't seen a single good reason why online passes shouldn't be done, so ?



Mr Khan on 26 October 2010
Barozi said:
Mr Khan said:
Barozi said:

Do what you like to do traitor.

I buy all of my games day one when i can and never resell them, even stuff i have little intention of playing again (Crystal Bearers), but i will not stand to have my rights taken away, even the ones i choose not to exercise. Online pass doesn't affect me at all (all the moreso because its limited to consoles i don't own), but it's an atrocious mentality on the part of publishers to think they could get away with it, and we need to stop it before it gets further out of control

It just bugs me to see people actually standing up for this, as i can see few good explanations as to why

And I haven't seen a single good reason why online passes shouldn't be done, so ?

I explained it already

And the logic of paying for online services is absurd, because these services are paid for at the initial purchase. One copy of the game goes out into the consumer environment. However that copy changes hands, that's still only one copy of the game that's using those resources. We end up paying them money that they've already told us they don't need.



Monster Hunter: pissing me off since 2010.